A hot mess, chaotic and a circus. Just some of the words used to describe the first debate between Donald Trump and Joe Biden.

RTÉ's US Election podcast 'States of Mind’ reflects on the interruptions, insults and issues with former Irish minister for children and now member of Team Biden in New York, Katherine Zappone, and Jennifer Carnahan, Chair for the Republican Party of Minnesota.

Both believe the two men should get back in the ring for round two. 

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