The problem with playing for Kilkenny and Ballyhale Shamrocks in recent years is that it can be hard to keep up with the numbers.
In the last 15 years, Shamrocks have lifted the Tommy Moore Cup on four occasions, while the Cats have landed Liam MacCarthy half a dozen times.
Throw in replays and final defeats, and you have players who straddle both teams with no shortage of medals and big-game experience.
Decorated defender Joey Holden is among that select group, and will be seeking a seventh All-Ireland on Sunday.
The only question to start with ahead of the decider against Dunloy is when asked how many finals he has played in at this stage.
"I haven't counted back, there’s been a few alright," he says after a pause.
Since breaking on to the Ballyhale panel in 2008 and getting the call from Brian Cody in 2014, he has been involved in nine finals all told, plus the 2014 replay against Tipperary where he was dropped by Brian Cody.
What will make this occasion significantly different to the others is the fact his father Patrick won’t be around to support his son. Or indeed dissect the game afterwards.
Holden spoke recently about how just three weeks after his return home from San Francisco last year, his father, and former chairman of the club, passed away.
His loss is keenly felt, but even from a hurling perspective, Holden senior was always keen to check in after games for the lowdown.
"Every Monday or Tuesday he would ring and there would be a debrief. Even after the Kilkenny games I would have been living with the likes of Colin Fennelly and Padraig Walsh and I’d have to judge how they performed the day before and that would dictate whether I answered the phone in the room or if I’d have to go upstairs.
"He’d be fairly frank. He’d say, "Padraig was fairly useless yesterday". That’s the kind of character he was. Even at the matches, lads would tell you he’d hear him shouting.
"He would be down watching training and would know how you were going. He just loved watching hurling."
He was one of many people within the tight-knit club that have passed away in recent times, something that was marked poignantly after the county final.
"Hurling keeps us on the up a bit. I think there is a special way to remember them when you can dedicate something to them."
Holden has returned to teaching at Kilkenny Vocational School, but will be scratching the travelling itch again shortly after Sunday’s decider.
The plan is to start in Central America and see where it takes him. He expects that to last eight or nine months "if the funds get us that far" and then reassess.
The immediate priority is to spoil the Dunloy party. The Antrim side enter as outsiders as they go in search of a first All-Ireland, but that was the scenario they found themselves last time out against St Thomas’ before upsetting the Galway champions.
The 32-year-old has built up a huge body of work as a defender, from the freedom of the half-back line to closer to goal where he usually finds himself these days.
What has changed over the years in the full-back line?
"There’s no longer three in the full-back line, it’s two on two and there’s plenty of space but that’s part and parcel of it.
"When I was growing up, a ball out to the corner was always maybe a non-dangerous ball, but now lads are so good that they can score from anywhere, so maybe it is a bit different but you just try to do the best you can.
"Most people nearly have two inside and one floating out to try and create that space and get the ball in.
"So when you’re on the ball, you have to be confident and composed - I suppose it is an advantage that you’ve a keeper behind you who’s unmarked behind you, so that option is there but when you’re getting the ball, you have to be aware of what’s around you."
Were it not for Harry Ruddle’s late intervention last year, Shamrocks would be bidding for four-in-a-row and there is an appreciation for what is being achieved off the pitch.
Away from it, and the passing of so many people with close links to the club, is another motivating factor.
"When it (death) comes into your own home in particular, it makes you realise how much it means to you and how much it means to them families.
"So when you're going out there and representing them, it just gives you that extra bit of a push to do your best.
