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Phillip Schofield denies grooming younger This Morning colleague

Phillip Schofield has categorically denied grooming his former This Morning colleague but said their later affair was "unforgivable".

Schofield, 61, confirmed the pair met when the younger man was 15 but said their interactions until he was an adult were just about "career advice".

Schofield has said the first time he had any "kind of sexual contact" with his former lover was not until he was in his 20s and working on the ITV morning show.

In an interview with the BBC's Amol Rajan, Schofield recounted the first time they met, saying: "I was invited by a friend of mine to go to open a drama school… But, whether it was immediately or sometime after, he said 'Will you follow him on Twitter, because he’s a fan’. So I said ‘Yeah, sure, no problem’, which I did."

Rajan added: "And he was what, 15 at the time?"

Schofield said: "I follow 11,300 people, and in all the time I’ve been on Twitter there has never been any whiff of impropriety."

He added that the pair were "hardly" in touch, but the young man had later got in contact to ask "if he could visit the studios, work experience-type of thing. I said ‘Come down and have a look, for sure’, which he did."

Schofield told Rajan the man was 19 when he had first expressed interest in a television career, and, when asked by Rajan if, looking back on their messages, there was "any sense in which you were flirting with him", he replied: "No, I’ve been 41 years in television. Nothing like this before. No accusations. I mean, this is all accusations."

Phillip Schofield and Holly Willoughby on the set of This Morning in 2021

The former This Morning presenter confirmed he did help the younger man put a showreel together but said he "was then given a job (at This Morning) on his own merits because he was very good".

Seeking to clarify the nature of their relationship when the former colleague was underage, Rajan said: "Just be really clear, your relationship between when you met him when he was 15 and then when he was 18 was occasional direct messages… no pictures of each other sent to each other?"

Schofield responded by shaking his head.

Asked whether the messages were flirtatious, the former TV presenter said: "Just work-related, just career advice, career help."

Schofield resigned from ITV last week and was dropped by his talent agency, YMU, after admitting to the "unwise but not illegal" relationship.

Phillip Schofield attends The TRIC Awards in 2021

Asked directly by Rajan if he had any kind of sexual relationship when his former lover was underage, Schofield said: "God, no.

"In my statement, it says ‘consensual relationship, fully legal’. I mean, that (the statement) was approved by both sides."

Recalling how the affair began, Schofield said: "He’d been working at the show for a few months and we’d become mates, we were mates. Around the studios, we’d hang out together, chat to each other, that sort of stuff.

"And then in my dressing room one day something happened which, obviously, I will regret forever for him and for me – mostly him.

"That happened maybe four or five times over the next few months, and I know it’s unforgivable but we weren’t boyfriends, we weren’t in a relationship.

"I was really in a mess with my sexuality at the time and it just happened."

Asked how old his former ITV colleague was at this stage, Schofield said: "20, 21."

"I see nothing ahead of me but blackness and sadness and regret and remorse and guilt."

Rajan highlighted that the crux of the issue is whether there was a potential "abuse of power", adding that it might be perceived as "grooming".

"The circumstances are as follows: you met someone who was a child, you were in a position of power over them. You use your power eventually to give them something they craved, which was shot at a job in the media. You nurtured a relationship and then that relationship became sexual. And they might ask, what’s the difference between that and grooming?"

Schofield replied: "Well, I would say that the initial list of things was not right anyway.

"Because it was a totally innocent picture, a totally innocent Twitter follow, of which I follow 11,400 people, and then it was a completely innocent backwards and forwards over a period of time about a job, about careers.

"What’s wrong with talking to someone no matter what age they are? Does that mean that if you are following anyone on Twitter that you absolutely don’t talk to anybody else or you don’t give advice? So I disagree with the summation that you just gave because that does paint a very grave picture."

Schofield also told Rajan about the criticism he has faced since admitting to the affair, saying: "It is relentless, and it is day after day, after day after day.

"If you don’t think that that is going to have the most catastrophic effect on someone’s mind – do you want me to die? Because that’s where I am.

"I have lost everything."

He also praised his daughters Ruby and Molly for "guarding him", telling Rajan: "They’ve guarded me and won’t let me out of their sight, it’s like a weird numbness.

"I know that’s a selfish point of view. But you come to a point where you just think, how much are you supposed to take? If all of those people that write all that stuff, do they ever think that there’s actually a person at the other end?"

During the interview, Schofield spoke about his friend and This Morning co-presenter Holly Willoughby.

Holly Willoughby and Phillip Schofield

He said he had not told Willoughby of the relationship, saying: "No, God, no. That’s a bigger question. Because we have, our make-up room was like a sanctuary, has always been a sanctuary.

"So you tell everything in that room. Holly knows everything about me. I know everything about Holly, Holly did not know. Nobody knew."

The pair had presented This Morning together since 2009, with Willoughby due to return to the show on Monday after the half-term break, having taken an early holiday after news of Schofield’s departure emerged.

Alison Hammond and Dermot O’Leary have been among the presenters hosting the programme in recent weeks.

Schofield went on to say that his "greatest apology" over the fallout from the affair was to his former lover and that he would "die sorry" for what he had done.

In a sign he believes his television career is over, he told Rajan: "I see nothing ahead of me but blackness and sadness and regret and remorse and guilt."

He said: "I’m not in television any more, I don’t know what I am even remotely – if I get through this.

"I don’t know even remotely how I move forward – what am I going to do with my days?"

He went on: "I did something very wrong and then I lied about it consistently and you can’t live with that. How do you live with that?"

Britain's King Charles shares a joke with Stephanie Lowe, Phillip Schofield and Fearne Cotton during the Prince's Trust 'Invest In Futures' Reception in 2019

Schofield added being dropped as an ambassador by the Prince's Trust charity "broke my heart".

"I can’t remember how long I’ve been there," he told the BBC.

It comes after ITV boss Carolyn McCall was called to a UK parliamentary committee on 14 June to answer questions about the broadcaster’s approach to safeguarding and complaint handling following Schofield’s exit.

In a letter to the UK parliament, the chief executive revealed the broadcaster had instructed barrister Jane Mulcahy KC of Blackstone Chambers, to carry out an external review of the facts.

It also said the broadcaster had "reviewed" its records and said "when rumours of a relationship" between Schofield and an employee of ITV emerged, they "both categorically and repeatedly denied the rumours".

Source: Press Association

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