Ireland still suffering from inferiority complex?

by Brendan Cole

Ireland managed to right the ship against England but their record against the very best is still the most troubling thing about this year's RBS 6 Nations.

The positive is that Ireland have shown an ability to grow and develop in the past. Take a look at the team's trajectory over the last 20 years and the story is one of slowly but surely growing gradually until they come to dominate rivalries with Scotland and Wales during the 1990s, and England during the 2000s.

Australia, New Zealand, France and South Africa are next on the list (excluding the special case that is Argentina). At this stage, Ireland have already made strides against Australia and South Africa. However, New Zealand and France still have a massive psychological edge in big games. To date, they are the only teams which have essentially forced Ireland out of games through sheer power and intensity in the Declan Kidney era (recall that the All Blacks did it at Croke Park early on in his reign, and it happened again against France in the pivotal game of this year’s RBS 6 Nations).

Ireland - not comfortable playing their 'betters'?

Ireland v France: Jerry Flannery is tackledThe defeat to France in particular hinted that a mental issue with playing against their ‘betters’ still hampers this Ireland team. On some level, Ireland still see New Zealand and France as a step way outside of their comfort zone. Fundamentally, the squad does not appear to believe they are quite good enough to beat the best on a regular basis.

The positive of the last number of years is that Ireland have spent the last 15 years slowly but surely eliminating those mental issues against other teams: the example of the relationship between Ireland and England is still a superb model of how what once seemed impossible can become reality.

Right now however, Ireland shy away from the pragmatism they do so well and towards a more elaborate gameplan that actually makes it harder to win against the biggest teams. 

Think back again to the France match: pre-match, Ireland players talked up the need to play a big first 20 minutes in order to turn around a bad run of results. And they played that big first 20: keyed up rugby at breakneck pace. Fatally, they failed to score points and as so often happens, France were able to soak up the pressure before turning a small momentum shift into a wave, scoring a cascade of points into the bargain.

France were calm and confident in the face of hyperactive Ireland and when they got the chance, they were utterly ruthless. Having begun at 100mph, Ireland had no response to the step up. Game Over.

Have Ireland neglected a little of the magic of 2009?

Brian O'DriscollThat is not to say Ireland would have beaten France with a better plan. But there is no doubt that in the opening spell of the match, and also just before half-time, Ireland failed to apply the simple principles that delivered for them in 2009. In that sense, it can be argued that rather than evolving, Ireland actually forgot some of what it was that made them so hard to beat in 2009. The other fundamental of the Grand Slam was Ireland’s ability to work with match situations instead of fighting them: recall the matches against Italy and Scotland.

Simplicity works so well for them: so why do Ireland try to do it differently against their most feared opponents?

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The broader context for Ireland and every international rugby team is that the structure of the RBS 6 Nations and the top level calendar means one-off games, rather than lengthy series of League contests, define the pecking order. The Rugby World Cup is no different.

The idea of playing perfect rugby is not always helpful.

It's interesting to take a look outside of rugby at a high quality Premier League side such as Manchester United. Alex Ferguson’s men can afford play a robust attacking style home and away from week to week and rely on a high scoring rate to either blitz the opposition early or mount a comeback should they go behind.

Ryan Giggs and Wayne RooneyThe occasional slip up is more than compensated for by lengthy spells of heavy points scoring and in general, aggression pays off. United play to a different template in Europe, recognising the realities of the competition they are involved in. On the other hand, you have Liverpool, who emphasise ‘not losing’ over winning despite the fact that wins are worth three points and draws just one, or Arsenal, purveyors of a delicate ‘perfect’ football that is prone to collapse under certain conditions.

In the RBS 6 Nations, the power and skill advantage to dominate every game is simply not within the compass of any one team. It is even tougher to play ‘perfect’ rugby away from home, where somewhat unfamiliar stadia and hostile crowds make for disorienting environments. As Ireland found against France, communication can be a problem.

That is not a criticism and Ireland are not alone in falling prey to the seductive idea of becoming the complete rugby team: it was also the fatal flaw of the New Zealand team that caused them to leave the Rugby World Cup behind them in France in 2007, despite playing the best rugby.

Though the rules and breakdown situation requires constant monitoring, Ireland are at their best inflicting punishment in defence and attacking in small, concentrated bursts of quality: the values that delivered the Grand Slam in 2009.

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Stephen Ferris hands off Lionel NalletFinally, lots of interesting comment here and elsewhere on the last blog. As was pointed out, it is tough to get accurate height/weight stats. Among the most recent measurements released into the public domain are the Lions, and that has Ferris down as 18 stone plus. He was back to under 17 last week. Go figure........

As one commenter pointed out, it is probably easier to base remarks on simple observation. For what it's worth, personally, I think it is fair to say that Ferris is the most powerful forward in the Irish pack and his strength could yet be harnessed in the Irish second row. Ireland cannot afford to have a creaky scrum in New Zealand 2011.

Have to say I'm also baffled as to why Mike Ross can't get near the Irish (or main Leinster) setup as he looked very useful against Cardiff last week - and despite giving away one penalty for popping up looks a rock solid scrummager.

Maybe he's being kept in reserve!

 


Comments:

Hellow Brendan, This Ireland team suffering inferiority complex Brendan, i don't agree. My observation from watching the Irish performance in the last three games is watching a team in transformation especially in attack, now the edivence is not clear and that was due to the conditions in the last two games, first the French game where they made way too many mistakes, handeling and passing and choseing the wrong option in frezzing condition made the french look a lot better than they really are, i am sure that this irish team know that themsleves and are already thinking about showing the french this new attacking plan next year in Dublin, what ever it was they were trying to employ that day it was abandond half way through the England game because of the greasy and muddy conditions and went back to the tryed and tested of last years tatic. If the conditions suit running rugby next Saturday and Murphy as full back i belive we will see what Ireland were trying to do from the start and this could be one really good game of rugby. By the time we meet the southern teams our game will have developed by then but it will only be really teasted by thoes teams and it is there we can fix the kinks for next years WC. We are going foward Brendan, don;t worry, watch the Wales game and you will see that i am right.

Posted by John Gallagher on March 11, 2010 at 07:24 AM GMT #

Thanks for the comment John. Still think we over-complicated v France because we gave them too much respect: thought we had to play a magic game to win. 2009 proved that is not the case.

Posted by Brendan Cole on March 11, 2010 at 10:20 AM GMT #

Brendan,I think one of Irelands main problems against the very best teams ( and England !) is their inability to dominate the opposition through extended phases.Against France and England we squandered field position time and again through basic errors and poor decision making.Examples are O'Connells poor handling and Darcys decision to chip when one on one with Poitreneaud ( turning clear advantage into a foot race). While Ireland are generally excellent defensively the best teams know that they are going to have more of the ball and the territory and all they need to win is patience.Belief (which I think you are saying we lack against the best teams ) is obviously important but just as important are the technical skills and good decision making which enable teams to turn the screw at key moments.

Posted by Ripley on March 11, 2010 at 02:30 PM GMT #

Ireland are most definitely suffering from an inferiority complex. They are finally breaking down those barriers. The result against France makes me less confident of a win against NZ this summer.

Posted by Antóin on March 11, 2010 at 03:55 PM GMT #

Brendan on the subject of the irish scrum and the Mike Ross' inability to get a starting place for leinster despite being in the premiership team of the year last year! What are your thoughts on tom court's sudden disappearance from the squad? It seemed to be agreed that he did a good job against the french scrum when on the field and has eaten tony buckley alive at every opportunity. Perhaps not as useful around the field as Buckley but still a step up from hayes in that regard (line-outs aside). Furthermore Brendan any thoughts on what Chris Henry (we're similar in name only unfortunately)has to do to get in the irish 22, I think hes been the best back row this season and was outstanding for the wolfhounds. Anyone would think Kidney didn't like us ulster boys!

Posted by Christopher Henry on March 11, 2010 at 04:47 PM GMT #

Absolutely right Brendan. it is like the emperors clothes with some Irish fans. Until Ireland go away from home and beat a true power like NZ/SA/France or Oz, then and only then can they call themself a great team. They are much better now but hopefully this summer they can manage one win from their NZ/Aus tour. It just isn't in the fabric of any Irish team to do this, never was. I didn't see the France game in 2000 because I was away. Now aged 32, I fear I might have missed my chance in life to see an irish win in Paris. A look at any of our shameful World cups or any southern hemisphere tour since 1979 backs up the inferiority complex theory. This is a serious issue that needs to be adressed in order for the team to progress and finally go to a WC and not turn in an embarrassing performance. Like the Dublin GAA team who are beaten before they take the field against Kerry, Irish rugby has to man up away from home one of these days and find the physcological edge to finally win an away game worth winning.

Posted by 192.168.24.17 on March 11, 2010 at 05:45 PM GMT #

"until they come to dominate rivalries with Scotland and Wales during the 1990s" - Didn't we fail to beat Scotland during the 1990's? In fact, didn't we lose every game between 1988 and 1999 bar one 6-6 draw? Thats a strange brand of domination

Posted by Eddie Murphy on March 11, 2010 at 11:11 PM GMT #

Brendan and John ye both make very valid points and I equate it to something akin to playing Kilkenny in hurling. If little things go right for you aginst them early on you need to get the scores on the board because they are like France a quality side who will not go gently in to that could nite. Rather they first have to be beaten physically and then you can paly a bit against and hope that when the man in middle blows it up your that bit in front. As for the Welsh game like John I expect if conditions are favourable that Ireland should hopefully take out all their six nations frustrations so far on them and leave down a definite marker heading for the Summer tour and next years world cup.

Posted by Seamie G. on March 12, 2010 at 10:30 AM GMT #

I was wondering to myself if its actually worth our while going too hard into this years summer tour of the southern hemisphere? If we lose to Australia and New Zealand in the same year as we lost to France it really does emphasize the "betters" as being better. If we had beaten France i would have said yes, lets push on true with an attempted away grand slam against our bogey teams. But now that we have been beaten by France, the potential achievments brought about by such an amibition have been diluted somewhat. If we go on and lose all the summer tests, We might actually beat ourselves before the world cup even begins. Does the thought of 3 summers on the go for our high mileage players concern anyone? I think people are looking too much into how England done it in 2003 by laying down markers prior to the tournament. Just a quick note as to the scrummaging issues. Penalty tries are really starting to concern me. Both Against france and england they looked like real dangers at some stage during the game...Under the posts too, 7 points in the bag. People put too much blame on the front rows when it comes to scummaging. I hold the second equally responsible. Watch last years autumn international against south africa. The you can see the influence of the pumping leg drive by the south african pair in determine momentum in the scrum. Lay off the front rows!!

Posted by Colm Finlay on March 12, 2010 at 11:27 AM GMT #

Just wondering why, away from home seems so difficult. You still have to get the basics right. Is it not just a myth that has taken hold in the minds of professionals. If you can win on one field playing good Rugby against a team, year one, why can't it be re produced on another field year 2? I find it crazy.

Posted by Colm on March 12, 2010 at 11:28 AM GMT #

Has our loss to France diluted any potential gains of a win in our summer tests? If we lose to Australia and New Zealand in the same year as we lost to France it really does emphasize the "betters" as being better. If we had beaten France i would have said yes, lets push on true with an attempted away grand slam against our bogey teams. If we go on and lose all the summer tests, We might actually beat ourselves before the world cup even begins. Also with the lions tour last summer would it not be a good time to give high mileage guys like O'Driscoll and maybe O'Connell a summer off (2011 included it will be 3 summers on the go)? Just a quick note as to the scrummaging issues. Penalty tries are really starting to concern me. Both Against france and england they looked like real dangers at some stage during the game. What’s worse is that when they are awarded the rules state that the penalty try is awarded under the posts. With regard to our problems I hold the second row equally responsible. Watch last years autumn international against south africa. The you can see the influence of the pumping leg drive by the south african pair in determine momentum in the scrum. Lay off the front rows!!

Posted by Colm Finlay on March 12, 2010 at 11:37 AM GMT #

I think our scrummaging problems have to be apportioned somewhat to the second row. Having watched the autumn internations a few time the leg drive of the south african pair against us definately had influence on scrum momentum. Penalty tries are also a real concern. Both against france and england it looked ominous. Worse thing is that they are awarded under the posts, 7 points in the bag.

Posted by Colm Finlay on March 12, 2010 at 11:41 AM GMT #

Everyone - sincere apologies for the delay getting these comments approved. Thanks for all remarks

Posted by Brendan Cole on March 12, 2010 at 12:10 PM GMT #

@eddiemurphy - poor phrasing by me: fair to say that they learned to dominate them through the 90s and by the early 2000s were rightly able to consider Scotland an inferior side.

Posted by Brendan Cole on March 12, 2010 at 12:13 PM GMT #

Story of the 90s: getting over Wales/Scots, story of the early to mid 2000s: getting over England; story of the 2010s: ???????

Posted by Brendan Cole on March 12, 2010 at 12:14 PM GMT #

Okay we are all geraing up big time towards World Cup fever and the last chance saloon for this golden generation of players. Firstly this is one of the first teams that have been almost completely professional(lets remember that when they were young football was and rugby not) in their time in the game, they have achived a wonderful grand slam and have shown that they can compete on Their day with their supposed betters. Its the same in all sports teams can have a good day or a bad day at the office this does not reflect either way wether the team is good or bad. ie Man United scrap win over Wolves last Sat and Hockey Ac Milan on Wed. This team could be on the verge of a historic world cup journey, please GOD with some luck and genuine support they will have a great run hopefully to a final. If not so be it to a man after last years slam they owe us nothing, we however could do with offering them a bit more. Also it is worth noting the progress of the current Under 20's a team on the up and who have been since they started playing rugby been able to envision themselves playing professional... As for the time being I'd say Wales are in for bit of hiding!!:)

Posted by Seamie G. on March 12, 2010 at 01:30 PM GMT #

Okay we are all geraing up big time towards World Cup fever and the last chance saloon for this golden generation of players. Firstly this is one of the first teams that have been almost completely professional(lets remember that when they were young football was and rugby not) in their time in the game, they have achived a wonderful grand slam and have shown that they can compete on Their day with their supposed betters. Its the same in all sports teams can have a good day or a bad that does not relect the complete pictur of the team. This team could be on the verge of a historic world cup journey, please GOD with some luck and genuine support they will have a great run hopefully to a final. If not so be it to a man after last years slam they owe us nothing, we however could do with offering them a bit more.

Posted by Seamie G. on March 12, 2010 at 01:32 PM GMT #

Also it is worth noting the progress of the current Under 20's a team on the up and who have been since they started playing rugby been able to envision themselves playing professional... As for the time being I'd say Wales are in for bit of hiding!!:) in Both games!!!! Cmon Ireland!!!

Posted by Seamie G. on March 12, 2010 at 01:33 PM GMT #

I have to agree with Brendan Cole too much basking in the second row . During the English match you could drive a london bus between oconnell and o callaghan their hips were a foot apart . Their binding i cannot figure out as they try to grab rach others shoulders leaving the hips to drift apart in my day you bound around the hips and pulled each other together then the no 8 had to force his way in . Also these new jerseys are not great for binding as there is nothing to get hold of . One other issue was the scrummaging technique from the second row as both players were pushing off their inside shoulders in doing this you are not supporting your props you are pushing off the hooker . So much for scrummaging coaches your props cannot keep it up if your second row is not solid .

Posted by shane on March 12, 2010 at 02:23 PM GMT #

Game over Ball burst, twice as many tackles and three tries says it all. Wales may have been poor but Ireland were class. If only it had been France we were playing Saturday it may have been a completely different story than the Paris nightmare. What harm though maybe it will stand to us in the long run.

Posted by Seamie G. on March 15, 2010 at 12:59 PM GMT #

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