Lions Talk Hotting Up - Forwards

by Brendan Cole

Ryan JonesWith an Ian McGeechan/Warren Gatland/Shaun Edwards coaching ticket, Wales were, in some quarters at least, expected to dominate the upcoming Lions Tour to South Africa. That became less likely after Wales' defeat to France in Paris last weekend, a match which confirmed what the prior games against Scotland and England had hinted at: the standards being reached by certain of the 2008 Grand Slam winning players have slipped.

Several individuals who were seen as strong contenders to play in the Tests are now much less certain to do so. The best example is probably the Welsh back row – Test contenders Ryan Jones, Andy Powell and Martyn Williams have all been left out of the team for the next match against Italy and must now hope for a chance to re-state their case against Ireland in the final round.

At least one is likely to be disappointed. Wales captain Ryan Jones, though he is will most likely start in the final round match, is in a particularly difficult spot. Injured for the opener against Scotland the Lions captaincy contender was not prominent against England and missed two key tackles against France – both in the lead up to scores. Number eight Powell has been exposed as a limited player against committed defenders and his reputation is now severely dented while openside Williams has struggled to exert his usual influence playing off a less dynamic ruck.

Irish Back Row Has Made A Big Impression

Stephen Ferris and Jamie HeaslipIn contrast, Ireland's 6/7/8 unit has both individually and collectively made a very positive impression over the three games they have played together so far.

Granted, Jamie Heaslip did not manage to open up behind the first line of England's defence as he did against France and Italy but he did so mightily impressively in those first two games against France and Italy. Heaslip's appeal is that he can do the hard work in the tight and then, when given the slightest gap, gallop through it to game-changing effect. The better quality the team he is in, the better he will do – and there are few superior to the Lions.

At six, Stephen Ferris, who has also played a role in key Ireland scores, has had a remarkably consistent impact mixing hard graft and high quality. Aside from Jones, James Haskell is his main competition and the Englishman was outplayed at Croke Park.

At seven, David Wallace has not been as obviously on form but he has been picking of his singles with ball in hand and looks ready to take his chance to make bigger interventions. His work on the deck and in the tackle area has also been outstanding in what are proving difficult circumstances under the current laws. Meanwhile, Denis Leamy is waiting in the wings for a chance to make a claim for a spot on the plane. Wales's Jonathan Thomas, picked to face Italy, has been handed his chance to do just that.

The problem for the Lions selectors is that aside from Wales and Ireland, who else is there?

The Scottish back row has been particularly poor to date with Jason White down the pecking order there and Simon Taylor is seen as the most realistic contender to even travel. Alasdair Strokosch, dropped for the Scots first game against Wales, is possibly a better shout than either. The English trio have as a unit struggled to be as dynamic or influential as France or Ireland. Nick Easter has class but no pace while Joe Worsley has impressed as a one man wrecking ball without adding to the attacking game. The Lions are likely to play with more ambition than he allows.

Along with half-back, the back row is arguably the key to the series but the Lions' Brains Trust will also be keen to field as tough and dynamic a tight-five as possible.

Springboks Must Be Out-worked In The Tight

Joe Van NiekerkOut-working South Africa in the tight – as well as securing reliable first phase ball - would give the Lions a vitally important platform. Paul O'Connell, secure in the lineout and exceptionally dynamic in the loose, is as nailed on as it gets for one Test jersey while the selection of 23-year-old Alun-Wyn Jones as Wales captain against Italy confirms that he– rightly - rates very highly in Gatland's estimation.

Donncha O'Callaghan is possibly next in line and has the work-rate but he has not shown an ability to match Jones for playing ability around the park. The occasional snatch of ill-discipline is also possibly a factor against him. Nick Kennedy's lineout talent and decent all round game might give him a claim. This call it may depend on how the series pans out tactically.

An O'Connell/A-W Jones combination would be a match for anything South Africa can field.

The front row is, as ever, tough to read. Unfortunately, there is no truly outstanding hooker at this point in time. Jerry Flannery's lineout throwing ability is possibly a trump card, particularly given that he currently has superb timing with Paul O'Connell. The tendency to spill ball when carrying would have to be curbed. Dylan Hartley is physically the best candidate but his poor disciplinary record would perhaps count against.

In the prop berths, Euan Murray is a tight-head in the classic mould and made an impressive statement against Italy. He is possibly the only likely Scottish Test starter.

At loosehead, Scotland's Allan Jacobsen is out of the reckoning due to injury and with the English front-row currently medicore, the dynamic Gethin Jenkins, who can cover both sides, has probably got the strongest claim. John Hayes may yet have something to say but he would probably have to start ahead of Jenkins. If he doesn't, Andrew Sheridan's ability to cover two sides well, allied to his record for effectiveness in the toughest of games, could see him shade the subs pick.

Possible Lions' Test Pack And Subs:

1. Gethin Jenkins
2. Jerry Flannery
3.
Euan Murray
4. Alun-Wyn Jones
5. Paul Connell
6. Stephen Ferris
7. Martyn William s
8. Jamie Heaslip

Subs:

16. Dylan Hartley
17. Andrew Sheridan
18. David Wallace
19. Nick Kennedy

 


Comments:

Good blog as usual Brendan. My pick for the forwards would be similar exept I notice you didn't mention Ross Ford as a potential Hooker. I've been impressed by his form at all levels and I think his physical presence stands him in good stead. Thoughts?

Posted by Bryan Edenmore on March 06, 2009 at 03:34 PM GMT #

Bryan - he cannae throw it in lad!

Posted by Brendan Cole on March 06, 2009 at 03:45 PM GMT #

I think on current form that pack is just about it , Adam Jones has been solid this year and may be interchangeable with Euan Murray but I would be happy with starting him on the bench so to speak . On the hooker question , the throwing in is as said crucial its a pity that the Ospreys hooker Richard Hibbard has such faults in this area as his general play otherwise has been very good this year and his bulk would have been handy against the Boks. Difficult to see any Scots or English players forcing their way in at this stage Vicary and Sheridan still have their advocates but it's got to be said it's on past reputation at the moment .

Posted by Pontylad on March 06, 2009 at 04:14 PM GMT #

Bascially would picked the same pack myself. Torn between offering David Wallace the start or not, Williams has the reputation of course but with hopefully decent hard ground to run on David might just pip him to the post. On the other hand coming on with 30 mins to go he might be more effective. At lock I agree with having Alun-Wyn Jones depending on next 2 weeks of form. Kennedy gets teh mid week slot here I think Strokosch gets the mid week slot for back row. Taylor is not up to the grade at the moment

Posted by Jarlath on March 06, 2009 at 04:19 PM GMT #

I think a big dynamic pack will be needed against South Africa. In this regard, I would like to see James Haskell at open-side and David Wallace in his best position at number 8. I completely agree with Stephen Ferris at blind-side. Along with O'Connell he has been Ireland's best performer this Six Nations and he also had a very good Autumn Series. I am not sure about Jerry Flannery at hooker but other than that I like the selection.

Posted by The Guru! on March 06, 2009 at 05:06 PM GMT #

I'm not sure about Wallace at number eight - if I remember right, it didn't really work too well when Munster had him there this season? Not sure his hands are up to it (eight)....and hard to see him getting in there over the guys playing 8 now for their national side. On the hands, I have a theory that Wallace and POC are being told to do that swivel pass thing for a reason......!

Posted by Brendan Cole on March 06, 2009 at 05:28 PM GMT #

stick to the dancing, Cole !! as if heaslip's hands are that great. no need for an 8 to have goods hand, especially in SA. all you need to be is tough, and wallace is that.

Posted by eanna mellett on March 06, 2009 at 06:01 PM GMT #

I am pretty damn good Eanna!!!! Totally disagree on the hands! No.8's hands have to be excellent. They see a lot of ball, and it's in situations where there are gaps, angles etc. Heaslip's hands are very good.

Posted by Brendan Cole on March 06, 2009 at 06:06 PM GMT #

What exactly is that swivel pass thing that Wallace and POC are doing Brendan? That's the first I've heard of it.

Posted by Javey on March 06, 2009 at 07:16 PM GMT #

I also agree with the team you have, nothing wrong with it at all, but I'd find it very hard to leave Ryan Jones out of the team. Its fair to say that Ferris has the upper hand at the moment for the test spot but I think the decision might hinge on their respective performances on the final day. No doubt that Jones will be on the plane though. Also I'd have Matthew Rees on the bench instead of Hartley. Leamy needs a full game in the Six Nations if hes to get a spot in the squad, but I fear he won't, which is unfortunate as he offers versatility. Also what about Nathan Hines' chances of selection in the squad?

Posted by Gary Ryan on March 06, 2009 at 07:53 PM GMT #

Fair play. A backrow of Ferris, Williams and Heaslip opposite Burger, Smith and Spies is absolutley mouth-watering. True about Powell, i knew he would be found out sooner or later tho i still think 'the powers that be' will have him on the plane at least if not in the test match 22. Here's my pick for the backs: 9. M. Blair 10. S. Jones 11. L. Fitzgerald 12. Jamie Roberts 13. B O'Driscoll 14. S Williams 15. L. Byrne/R. Kearney (too close to call thus far) 20. M. Phillips 21. R. O'Gara 22. Kearney/Byrne

Posted by Tadhg O'Riada on March 06, 2009 at 09:20 PM GMT #

Sorry Brendan but do you watch Wallace play at 8 for Munster in the Heineken cup this season? He was immense, got MOM against Sale in Sale. So I would go with Wallace at 8,Williams 7 and Ferris at 6. I would also leave Sheridan out, hes the most hyped up prop in world rugby. Have Vickery,Hayes or Jones on the bench instead.

Posted by Hank on March 06, 2009 at 10:09 PM GMT #

no scot on current form warrants a place in a lions test team - in fairness to John Hayes, he has been brilliant so far this season so why not include him? Also Hartley is nowhere near good enough! Decent pack overall though

Posted by hbj on March 06, 2009 at 10:27 PM GMT #

I agree for the most part. My test pack would be: 1. Jenkins 2. Flannery 3. Murray 4. O'Connell 5. A-W Jones 6. Ferris or Jones 7. Williams 8. Heaslip. The 6 jersey will be decided when Ferris and Jones face off in Cardiff. Subs: 16.Hayes or the Hair-Bear Jones, whoever plays better in a mid-week game. 17.Ford. 18.O'Callghan 19. Jones or Ferris or Powell or Wallace. Take your pick depending on tactics. My choice would be Powell for his impact.

Posted by Gary on March 07, 2009 at 01:03 PM GMT #

Good morning Brendan,My question is a bit unusually in that i question the fact that should we be happy with any Irish player going on tour at all, injury is my main consern remember how the attempted murder of BOD went, lucky he is still alive never mind playing rugby. And how about the Linster/Munster supporters feel about your under contract players risking injury in these tests, don't forget the 2nd team play games that no one remembers after time. I know its nice to get the achivement of getting picked, but in the long run is it worth it?

Posted by john gallagher on March 07, 2009 at 03:10 PM GMT #

In some respects, I'm dreading this tour by the British and Irish Lions, I think its going to be the most brutal yet, the choice of captain is vital, it's got to be between Brian O'Driscoll and Paul O'Connell. No offence Brian, but you are going to need someone in the trenches this time, Come on down Mr O'Connell.

Posted by Andy Williams on March 07, 2009 at 03:24 PM GMT #

a sports journalist who doesnt watch matches? interesting. when wallace played 8 this season for munster he was man of the match and scored a try against sale, was just beaten to man of the match by o connell and scored a try against clermont. hmmmm, shame it obviously wasnt working. and he does have good hands

Posted by conor on March 07, 2009 at 06:31 PM GMT #

Bang on the money for me Brendan, only question mark i would have is Heaslip; granted he has shone in the 6 nations but his form for Leinster this season has been fairly mixed and he's been outshone in the back row by big Rocky. Heaslip is defo the form 8 at the moment but i think himself and Flannery might prove a weak link in what otherwise is a strong competitive pack.

Posted by Mark O'Shea on March 07, 2009 at 06:51 PM GMT #

you know as a number eight you need great hands. breaking off the base of the scrum, good hands are needed to get that 8/9 move going. if you dont have good hands you are just throwing possesion away and against SA you cant afford to do that. i do not believe Walaace should be 8, however i think its crazy to tour without him as your 7. best ball carried around and he makes the defence commit 2-3 players just to contain him!! front row is a complete toss up as of right now, but i agree completely with second row choices aswell. final 2 weeks of 6 nations hopefully will cement the team. big question is who do you play at 10. O'Gara or Jones??

Posted by Joseph Thuillier on March 08, 2009 at 12:40 AM GMT #

Interesting choice Brendan, however I can't believe that a Lion's pack won't field at least 1 English forward. You've picked 4 Irishmen, yet they got very little change out of a limited English pack last week. I also think you overrate Paul O'Connell. He may be a top player in the northern Hemisphere, but he can't offload to save his life, and he will be up against the BEST lock partnership for years. Backrow is also looking lightweight compared to Spies, Burger and Smith.

Posted by David on March 08, 2009 at 04:50 AM GMT #

@John Gallagher - The thing is, the players want to play, the fans want to watch, and the TV money guys want to pay - that makes it very similar to the Six Nations. I'm sure there are some issues over who 'owns' the players' labour, but on the basis that everyone wants to do it - no-one is forced to Tour - they are easily surmounted.

Posted by Brendan Cole on March 08, 2009 at 10:46 AM GMT #

Swivel pass: turning their back to the oncoming defence to and passing the ball from there, instead of doing the traditional pass across the front of the body.

Posted by Brendan Cole on March 08, 2009 at 10:48 AM GMT #

re: Wallace at 8 - I think the consensus in Munster is that Wallace's best position is 7. His hands are fine but not brilliant. Basically, Wallace does better from 7 then he does from 8.

Posted by Brendan Cole on March 08, 2009 at 10:50 AM GMT #

Ryan Jones has seriously dipped in form since his injury - wonder if he is back too soon?

Posted by Brendan Cole on March 08, 2009 at 10:52 AM GMT #

@John Gallagher - The thing is, the players want to play, the fans want to watch, and the TV money guys want to pay - that makes it very similar to the Six Nations. I'm sure there are some issues over who 'owns' the players' labour, but on the basis that everyone wants it to happen, I'm sure the insurance/contractual stuff is easily enough taken care of.

Posted by Brendan Cole on March 08, 2009 at 10:54 AM GMT #

I think you might be a little naive suggesting that o'connell/ wyn jones are a match for anything the boks have. Matfield/ Botha are a properly outstanding pair of 2nd rows. Matfield as an round the park ball player is the best 2nd row in the world (dont forget who actually caught Tait when he made his break in the world cup final). Also outstanding in line out. Botha is also arguably better at what he does that any of o'connell/ why jones and most notably o'callaghan. if you have o'connell as a ball carrying line out winning 2nd row then what is wyn jones purpose in the team? dont get me wrong - i do rate wyn jones but we will not beat sth africa unless we find a flaw in their 2nd row partnership. the world cup was won by being the biggest and strongest with a dash of class in there too. i dont see the lions outrunning them to be honest so they have to at least match the front 5! i'm afraid i just dont see that happening.

Posted by Rob on March 09, 2009 at 01:43 PM GMT #

Agree with the selected 8 at this point. Heaslip is definitely worth a start, he form has come good just at the right time for both Ireland and Leinster.I also think no Englishman deserves a place at the moment their dicipline in shocking, grant it this may be down to Johnson's tactics. I also think The Bull might force is his way in, he is playing out of his skin at the moment. On the captaincy for me has to be BOD with POC vice captain BOD is relishing the role again for Ireland and has unfinished Lions business. On the No 10 jersey at the moment no arguement Stephen Jones, ROG is way of form at the wrong time.

Posted by Conor O Carroll on March 09, 2009 at 02:19 PM GMT #

Great blog as always Brendan. Surprised you overlooked Adam Jones. The lions have problems, Flannery is the best thrower, but he's too small. POC is a beast but can't offload. M Williams is also too small, proven over & over against southern opposition. Then I presume Geech will want to spread it, so he has to pick Hook at 10. ROG can't tackle, & Jones can't pass. Ergo nato sum. Possibly Henson at 12 aswell. Sigh!

Posted by Donagh Long on March 09, 2009 at 03:01 PM GMT #

Agree with Donagh. I think Flannery and Martin Williams are potential weak links in your selection as they both are physically light compared to the South Africans. I have my doubts about Heaslip as well. He is a fine number 8 but I'm not sure he is suited against big aggressive back-rows. He struggled for Ireland against NZ in the Autumn. I would pick Haskell at 7, Ferris at 6 and probably Wallace at 8. If Ryan Jones regains his best form he might be an option at 8. At hooker, I just don't know - maybe a long-shot like Hartley or even Best as they are both big units.

Posted by Justin Meagher on March 09, 2009 at 06:18 PM GMT #

DOC to start

Posted by mick flick on March 09, 2009 at 06:24 PM GMT #

Brendan, some of the comments about the Heaslip/Wallace eight debate I think are biased. Munster fans have every reason to be proud of their side and the fans reputation of complete belief in their players is enviable. But lets not let this blur their vision. Horse's for course's. Heaslips size, hands and regular selection at number eight has to prevail over romantic notions however well founded.

Posted by Jas O'Callaghan on March 10, 2009 at 03:51 AM GMT #

You mentioned the Scottish back row duds in Taylor and Strokosch but not their talisman Johnny Barclay. I predict he'll be the only scottish back row to travel

Posted by Ronan Mc on March 10, 2009 at 11:35 AM GMT #

I too agree with Donagh, he makes alot of good points there regarding the physical size of alot of our options and obviously knows his stuff. I'd pick Henson for his game changing ability (and the chance to see Charlotte in the stands). Best is a big guy but he can't throw so we have problems there. What chance Chris Patterson at 10?

Posted by Gavan on March 10, 2009 at 11:52 AM GMT #

Decent stab - although I don't think Flannery should be there either on form (his darts have been great but he has been headless in the loose) or ability. Hooker is the main weak spot for the Lions. Your back row is a form pick but you would have to imagine Ryan Jones will start. When will you do the backs? I have Phillips, Jones, Williams, Flutey (although 12 is wide open), Driscoll, Sackey, Byrne - subs: Blair, Hook, Kearney

Posted by zeleneye on March 10, 2009 at 11:56 AM GMT #

Hello Brendan. Well done on this blog.

Posted by Sean on March 10, 2009 at 12:00 PM GMT #

Hi there, Nice blog, Anyway Lions Team needs a lot of Munster players since they are the best team in Europe in last 5/10 years. I think Heaslip is playing amazing atm but def go for wallace as number 8, about Ferris is doing amazing in Magners League and 6 Nations and yeah credit for that but I dont believe that is able keep this standarts the rest of the season, and Hayes is quality in Irish Team and Munster should he get a shot in 1st XV. POC has Cpt. totally deserved a amazing Leader and player!

Posted by James on March 10, 2009 at 01:40 PM GMT #

Obviously from all the posts I've read so far, Alan Quinlan is the forgotten man! Granted, he's not playing for Ireland at the moment, and has justifiably been kept out by Ferris' tremendous form. However, Munster may well have another Heineken Cup salted away before the final Lions names are nailed to the mast. Quinlan is probably the last man a lot of you want on that plane; he's the last man South Africa want on it also.

Posted by shoulderghost on March 12, 2009 at 12:45 PM GMT #

Ah ye ole Lyons tour, what a snore. An exercise in medicority, TV advertising and merchandising. Well the Lions tour is a completely defunct idea, what does it change with ranking? Stature? Rubish, fine in the days of the Bwitish Umpire but when Ireland and the other 4 nations do their own tours its totaly irrelevant. Maybe as a once off a 6 nations select V a tri nations select now that would be interesting, particularly if the stipulation was each nation must have min 2 players picked, even italy would get a shout!!! The Lions tours are a waste of time and money, the IRFU should pull out and get involved in propper ideas not 1900 ones.

Posted by The Saint on March 13, 2009 at 03:17 PM GMT #

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