Ten Years Of Being Pretty Good......

by Brendan Cole 

Amid all the Grand Slam talk (only for the fans – players need to 'stay in the present' and all that), it's worth taking a look at a slightly broader perspective: Ireland's three wins from three have propelled back towards the head of what is for them a rather unhappy leaderboard:

Six Nations 10-Year Total Records:

Team       P  W D L     F      A   PD   Pts  C  GS*

France    48 35 0 13 1312 845  467   70   4    2

Ireland    48 34 0 14 1270 963  307   68   0    0

England  48 31 0 17 1451 764  687   62   3    1

Wales     48 22 2 24 1092 1189 -97   46   2    2

Scotland 48 14 1 33  790  1262 -472 29   0    0

Italy        48  6  1 41  745  1637 -892 12   0    0  

(* Played Won Drawn Lost For Against Points Difference Points Championships Grand Slams.)

 

Eddie O'SullivanIreland, second overall, have no Grand Slams and no Championships. Wales, despite being in overall fourth and with 12 less wins, have two of each. France and England are about where you would expect them to be, though England have arguably underperformed to some extent given their dominance in the first half of the decade.

But Ireland, who could quite possibly end the decade joint top in the 'wins' column, have thus far got nothing to really show for their excellent overall record - those three Triple Crowns aside.

The injustice of it all?

Well, yes and no.

The question is this: "what does the board – and particularly the comparison between Ireland and Wales - prove?"

Of course, any examination will bring you to back to Eddie O'Sullivan, the man in charge for the vast majority of this period. O'Sullivan rarely lost and, perhaps even more importantly, rarely lost heavily.

In hindsight, that can be seen as both a blessing and a curse.

It also proves what for me has always been the case: that O'Sullivan was a good – at times very good – head coach. He just wasn't quite good enough ("right coach, right time, wrong length of time"? - O'Sullivan performed especially badly at World Cups and in the biggest games before flat-lining in the last act of his spell in charge).

Wales, on the other hand, were blessed to have coaches from either end of the scale – either exceptionally good or terrible: from Mike Ruddock and Warren Gatland to Gareth Jenkins.

'Fail Fast' (though maybe not too often......)

'Fail Fast' is a concept from the world of business that says "if it's all going to go pear shaped, it's better that it happens quickly rather than slowly".

Wales have certainly have had more than their fair share of failures these past 10 years – including the belt of a genuine 'no win' Wooden Spoon the year after they won a Grand Slam (2005 and 2006). In fact, the Italian record (6 wins in 10 years, none against Ireland) holds the key to the contrast between the Irish and Welsh decades as much as anything else.

Looking ahead, the flip in our conceptual thinking would be to say that rather than consider these Welsh failures surprising in the context of subsequent successes, we should really see them as being integrally important. Wales succeeded exceptionally because they failed exceptionally. It would also hint that sacking Warren Gatland back in 2001 was the right call.

Ireland failed a little bit over and over, but never quite badly enough for that critical mass to build up and cause the odd revolution. Wales, helped by an unstable political situation within their Union, actually did themselves a huge favour by cocking up repeatedly in spectacular fashion, enabling them to institute root and branch reform and quickly replace underperforming coaches. To be honest, they've also been pretty lucky.

In any case, the lesson for Ireland may be this: medium-good is not good enough……

As an aside, perhaps the fact that Ireland is top of the 'banana republic' list isn't the such a bad thing after all…….

 

 


Comments:

Also, thanks to MC for his brilliant work on the table!

Posted by Brendan Cole on March 02, 2009 at 05:37 PM GMT #

A fantastic insight Brendan as always. Please keep it going.

Posted by Conor Dempsey on March 02, 2009 at 08:20 PM GMT #

Good one , yes you need some luck usually to win a Grand Slam .Maybe it's Irelands year two hard games to go though. The only thing missing in the analyses is France's indian sign hoodoo over Ireland during most of the 10 years which also mucked it up for them. Simplistically I think the French style of play suits Wales more than Ireland (even on Friday we were in the game until the last minute when we shouldn't have been really ). At any level theres always one side that a team will find difficult to beat for whatever reason and it's been France in this case.

Posted by Pontylad on March 03, 2009 at 08:40 AM GMT #

We'd come so close so often in recent years we had genuine reasons to expect to win the Grand Slam, only France stood in the way on many ocassions. There was too much hype down the years about the Triple Crown. I was delighted to see BOD use a drop goal to get Ireland some points against England, why doesn't ROG try this more often? Nothing is won yet, the Welsh will be pumped up hoping to end our GS dream, so let's not celebrate just yet.

Posted by Andrew on March 03, 2009 at 11:53 AM GMT #

If we beat Italy by say 30 and Ireland beat Scotland by say 10 then the points difference is down to 3 points so it would be white knuckle time. Thats without France beating England and running up a cricket score against Italy to sneak it again ! Get the Slam and you've won it's as simple as that otherwise it's anyone of 3 .

Posted by Pontylad on March 03, 2009 at 01:01 PM GMT #

Would be quite an achievement for Wales to beat Italy by 30 - don't see it happening myself. Wales did beat Italy 47-8 last year (in Cardiff) but I don't think Wales are quite as good this time around.....Italy are also possibly a notch below though. Overall, defence has been very good for everyone. Get Henson back in and maybe Wales will get their wide game back. I could see Ireland taking the Scots apart much as Wales did on weekend one only Ireland might have the focus to properly put the to the sword as well. Here's hoping.....

Posted by Brendan Cole on March 03, 2009 at 02:16 PM GMT #

I think the whole country needs to step back here and look what has happened since last year..we couldent hardly score a try never mind win a game last year..this year we look way more comfortable and not afraid to take on the defences and get stuck in to the hard gound battles on the field..just look at some of the players..drico doin what he does best scoring trys,running and tackeling to be fair we havent seen much of that in 5 years,addition of kearney,bowe and fitzgerald,our front row have uped their game aswell,o gara has an off day and he gets slated.....come on how mant times has he saved us??people are very quick to forget so people of irish rugby should just enjoy the way kidney has settled everyone and let them play like the way we know they can.wales and scotland are goin to be extremly hard games but i think this year we have all momentum,playin well and scoring trys which is the most important thing.

Posted by Thomas o'toole on March 03, 2009 at 02:36 PM GMT #

Brendan, do you consider the Triple Crown to be irrelevant in the context of the championship anymore?And in these 9 years, have we underachieved given our place on that table complied?

Posted by Bryan on March 03, 2009 at 02:53 PM GMT #

@Bryan - I think if you look at the history of the whole thing, you would have to say that the Triple Crown is probably not what it used to be. Overall, I would say we probably have underachieved in the sense that most people would trade at least some of the strong overall record for at least one Grand Slam. I do think we possibly focus too much on the Grand Slam to the exclusion of the Championship.

Posted by Brendan Cole on March 03, 2009 at 03:26 PM GMT #

I still cannot understand why the Six Nations organising committee/administrators have not followed the remainder of the rugby competitions in including bonus points. I think the above table would have a different reflection ( a more accurate one?) with bonus points. On a number of occasions we've been the almost rans with 1 loss in a season (Edinburgh 2003 being a case one we shouldn't forget) - regularly a bridesmaid for the championship - here's hoping were first up the aisle this year with a GS in hand!

Posted by Colin on March 03, 2009 at 04:11 PM GMT #

@Colin - the main problem with Bonus Points and the Six Nations as I see it is that you could see a team win the Grand Slam but not the title if they were included.....also, I see BPs as a way of improving the action in competitions with a lot of weaker teams. I think each 6 Nations game stands up pretty well on its own without them. They could work as a way of breaking a tie?

Posted by Brendan Cole on March 03, 2009 at 04:18 PM GMT #

I think Ireland have a great chance this year of winning the grand slam. They have won all their matches to date and have two more to play against Scotland and Wales. Going on their present form they are the only team to date that haven't been beaten. Ireland abu!!!!!

Posted by mary hynes on March 04, 2009 at 12:29 PM GMT #

I agree with Brendon bonus points no if it means that a team with the Grand Slam could lose the title that would just undermine the whole thing. Even increasing the points for a straight win to 5 or 6 plus the usual bonus points system wouldn't solve it because of doubling up bonuses if you get 4 tries and also lose by less than 7 points or get a draw.THen if you increase the points for a win by more you have to ask whats the point -the Tri-Nations may face this one year an unbeaten side losing out on bonus points and look out for a lot of antipodean hot air when it happens. Brendon I'm not one to tempt fate but with Gatland and Edwards breathing fire at the Welsh players as I type and rumours of Henson starting I'd take that 30 point difference bet but as I say lets not tempt it !!I agree that Wales aren't in the form of last year ,ELV's not helping ? or just coaches second year syndrome .

Posted by Pontylad on March 04, 2009 at 02:49 PM GMT #

What about a 2nd tier 6 Nations Championship with a relegation/promotion?After Georgia and Portugal's great strides in the last World Cup in 2007, what impetus is there for them to continue when their only worthwhile games take place every 4 years?

Posted by Bryan Duddy on March 04, 2009 at 03:07 PM GMT #

The Triple Crown, is an absolute irrelevancy, how many years was it a case of "if we had beaten france" , would you be into having a "Coupe La Republic's" or something for France Ireland Italy? Same thing both pointless. Anyways I would consider we have underachieved, there is something in Ireland when we get to a level "its grand" but we should have pushed this over the top the last 10 years. If Ireland had the Munster heart I think we would have min 2 championships.

Posted by The Saint on March 04, 2009 at 04:41 PM GMT #

I really have a hard time looking past the next game. The 6 Nations is the most unpredictable tournament. Look at it 2 years ago. Ireland got beaten by France in Croker; Ireland wallop England; England beat France. There is no logic in this game. It's game by game. And this is what Kidney is good at. He is as grounded as the roots of a tree, and will have his lads focusing only on the next game. Roll on the Scottish game. Lets talk about the Welsh game -- after that.

Posted by Frankc on March 05, 2009 at 04:16 AM GMT #

I agree with Frankc - anyone who looks beyond the next match in the 6 Nations has a very short memory - this year has had less surprises than usual - its about time for us or somebody else to get a nasty surprise. At least when we play Scotland in Murrayfield, they can't also steal our women like they do with their kilts when they come to Dublin!

Posted by Denis in CT on March 06, 2009 at 04:28 PM GMT #

i do not agree

Posted by shan on March 09, 2009 at 03:33 PM GMT #

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