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Rugby November Series 2009 Blog

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by Brendan Cole

How important is the coach to the success or failure of a given team? The received wisdom is that the man in charge is the fundamental factor from which all success or failure flows from week to week. But there is a body of evidence that suggests, rather like an investment banker, sports coaches are at the mercy of masses of factors completely outside their control.

A related point is that, although terminal declines and astonishing runs of success are features of all sport, those predicting either that a manager will eventually succeed brilliantly or fail miserably are usually proved right. Almost inevitably.


Phenomena such as the frequently seen ‘new manager’s bounce’ is a simple function of regression to the mean; a consequence of the fact that a good team will eventually recover its form, just as a bad one will eventually be found out. The peaks and troughs of the performances of individual players can also be better understood with reference to an evening of poker.

Keggy - how would he do?

Kevin KeeganIf, say, Kevin Keegan took over Liverpool Football Club next week and embarked on a run of five wins from five would that make him a better manager than Rafa Benitez?


Ireland are on a streak of six wins from six made up of the RBS Six Nations Grand Slam matches and a Test win over Argentina the previous November.


Meaning Declan Kidney is a genius? The best Irish manager ever? Possibly...

The team’s run of success has been attributed to a whole range of factors: the famous team meeting in Enfield at which Rob Kearney challenged the Munster forwards' commitment; captain Brian O’Driscoll’s embrace of the quiet life; a new coaching team and selection ethos.


The question is this: could an Eddie O’Sullivan-coached team led by a peroxide-blonde O’Driscoll who had just won ‘Heat’ magazine's Male Celebrity of the Year and in which the Munster pack had never been challenged by an upstart Leinster full-back have won the Grand Slam last year?


Maybe: we'll never know.


Kidney, to his credit, seems well aware of the cosmic unfairness of it all - the random influences that determine who wins and who loses - and he is wary of the tendency to lionise those who are ahead when the final whistle blows and demonise those who aren’t. He and his players have also been quick to emphasise that they owe a lot to O’Sullivan.


But logic refuses to dismiss the importance of such factors as the mental rejuvenation of the team that flowed from the candour they felt capable of at events such as Enfield, the fresh eyes behind the team selection, and the pragmatism of the Grand Slam game-plans.


Kidney - what is his 'mean'?

Declan KidneyWhat’s the point of a manager? Over the long term the man at the top can be understood to be the man who defines what is possible and what is not; the man who sets what the ‘mean’ is. It is on that score, Kidney has made a difference.


The other side of that coin is that given a long enough period in charge, Benitez was always going to have a run like the last couple of weeks, while O’Sullivan too was virtually bound to have a Rugby World Cup-style slump at some stage.


Why? You can argue that as well as being above average coaches and somewhat inflexible ‘system’ men, the characteristic both Benitez and O’Sullivan share is that they are politically astute operators who either had or have had very long tenures in one high profile job. Both are adept at explaining away short-ish bad streaks, frequently with reference to a long term vision. Both have a larger - much larger - than average 'sample size'.


Failure breeds failure?

Rafa BenitezInevitably, each time they escape a poor run, the chance that the next run of bad results will be the dreaded Rugby World Cup 2007 or one-win-from-nine ‘mega-slump’ increases. It can be argued that each mini-slump successfully negotiated actually increases the chance the next one will be worse. Failure does appear to breed failure, and O'Sullivan and Benitez were and are prisoners of the law of averages.


It takes a rare manager to escape it.


So what was O’Sullivan’s achievement? He can reasonably be credited with creating an entirely new framework for Anglo-Irish and Anglo-French clashes. Ireland feared both of those sides before he arrived and to a large extent that is no longer the case. Obviously, Munster, the Heineken Cup and a whole pile of other factors can also be lobbed into that debate, but O’Sullivan deserves his due.


But O’Sullivan never fully conquered the SANZAR inferiority complex and in the end, Ireland regressed in the Six Nations as well. The distinct impression that a ceiling had been reached was unavoidable.

Looking ahead, with the Grand Slam hoodoo lifted, the target for Kidney and Ireland - with Rugby World Cup 2011 on the horizon -  is to create a culture of heightened expectations against the very best. It is that job – the most difficult task of Kidney’s career - which is the underlying theme of everythying that happens this November.

 

 


 


Comments:

Pleased to see O'Gara's been picked as out-half for the Australia game but I think Kidney's made a real mistake in dropping Stringer to the 'A' team. Anyone agree of disagree?

Posted by Máire Heneghan on November 11, 2009 at 03:11 PM GMT #

Peter Stringer is a third choice Scrum Half. Chris Henry is the form No. 8 and should start against Australia, Ferris on the Bench, Heslip to Open side, Wallace to Blind side and Leamy to the A team.

Posted by Richard Bartley on November 11, 2009 at 03:40 PM GMT #

good to see o'gara in the side,a bit disapointed shane horgan couldnt make the starting 22 he is the form winger in ireland at the moment

Posted by aidan o'donovan on November 11, 2009 at 04:07 PM GMT #

The statistical points are well made, and the influence of randomness is something regularly understated in sport. However, your analysis falls down a bit in the last section. From a statistical point of view, past results do not affect future results. Attaining good form does not increase the chance of slipping back into bad form in the future.

Posted by John on November 11, 2009 at 04:08 PM GMT #

John - thanks. When I say 'failure breeds failure' I guess I'm trying to say that mental limits once set are difficult to breach. But strictly speaking you're right.

Posted by Brendan Cole on November 11, 2009 at 04:14 PM GMT #

Solid selection from Kidney. The surprise call of Wallace in the center, may be down to Kidney's loyalty to those that won him the U-20 world cup all those years ago. The pack picks itself, good to see Cronin on the bench, great prospect at hooker. Bench looks very solid too. Australia will be a very tough prospect, and should we win, we will set the bench mark very high for ourselves, which can only be a good thing.

Posted by Darren Murphy on November 11, 2009 at 04:18 PM GMT #

who is chris henry?

Posted by paul ryan on November 11, 2009 at 04:31 PM GMT #

Ulster number eight who will play v Tonga on Friday night for the As.

Posted by Brendan Cole on November 11, 2009 at 04:33 PM GMT #

Absolutely ridiculous decision to start rog. One would have hoped that the professional era had brought with it a more modern approach to picking players on form. But it seems that players can still get selected on sentiment. Unbelievable really.

Posted by Locky on November 11, 2009 at 05:13 PM GMT #

I feel there is the need to bring in two or three more new faces. I feel it would be the a good match to include a few names like chris henry and jonathon sexton. i feel these players lack the experience to play against the springboks and that the game aginst Fiji will not offer them much. A lot of the current team are under preforming as well as getting old and this may be the kick they need to regain form. I feel that it will be the last competive game that we'll have for another 8 months and that we can blood new players. If you look at the ages of much of the pack, you would have major question mark over the number of players who will still be there in late 2011. I really feel its time to bring in yet another few players like, we saw how infuential Stephen Ferris was last year when he was given his chance.

Posted by Alan o sullivan on November 11, 2009 at 05:38 PM GMT #

As regards ROG I think Kidney has shown something that is very rare in modern professional sport and that is loyalty to a fine professional who has bailed his country and province out countless times in the past! I know he hasn't set the world alight but he is a big game player who makes the right decisions at the right time. Don't be surprised if ROG performs very well on Sunday. Sexton will get his chance! As with the centre combination, I think Paddy Wallace's inclusion is based on merit as he has shown excellant form for Ulster this year and has nothing to do with him being on an u-20 team coached by Kidney years ago. I know this somewhat contradicts the point I made about ROG but surely the man who showed nerves of steel to kick a Grand Slam winning dg deserves a chance to prove the doubters wrong! Maybe I'm just being sentimental!

Posted by Willie on November 11, 2009 at 07:46 PM GMT #

All i hear people say is ''Form Player'' just because you have a few good magners league games,does'nt give you a automatic start in the Irish side,do you think Kidney is that dumb? International rugby is different altogether and Chris Henry and Sexton are'nt ready yet,so don't go throwing them in against Australia,why am i the only 1 who has no problems with the team,i trust DK 100% There is 3 uncapped players in the 22,so stop your whinging

Posted by Gavan Hennigan on November 11, 2009 at 07:56 PM GMT #

Agree that O'Gara ia lucky- Fear he really has lost his edge and now is the time for Sexton whose level of performance has improved big time. Game will be won at the breakdown though -we need a real seven!

Posted by Tony G - Galway on November 11, 2009 at 08:59 PM GMT #

it would be ridiculous not to start ronan o'gara! unbelivable player who is lacking form at the minute but he will up it for the big day, mark my words! team pretty solid except wouldnt have wallace in the team or possibly not in the replacements to be honest! earls murphy and sexton are all better options in the backs and d'arcy should start! great player! hard as nails! looking forward to seeing the attacks we generate because we now have some truly great finishers! bowe odriscoll heaslip wallace etc! to be honest not a weak place in the team bar wallace and possibly at prop due to an absence. looking forward to it. bring on the aussies

Posted by dominic delargy on November 11, 2009 at 11:08 PM GMT #

Your article explores some interesting points. Namely the difference between Kidney and O'Sullivan - flexibility. One of the main problems with O'Sullivan was that he adhered strictly to his own philosophy. Ireland would never take on teams up front that O'Sullivan deemed too strong for us. Some would argue that is just being realistic others could argue that this is a form of inferiority. I believe the latter. Adhering rigidly to a system is problematic by its very nature. Things evolve, people evolve. Rugby is no exception. The game evolved and weaknesses were found in Ireland's game. These were exploited. Similarly England found themselves in a completely different environment after the 2003 World Cup. They could no longer hope to pound teams through their forwards. The others adapted. Ireland were no different post-2007. As long as Declan Kidney adapts to a changing game Ireland will do just fine. Nature is a complex series of adaptive, ever-changing systems. Man is just a part of nature. Rugby is just a sub-set of nature. As for Ireland under Kidney the future looks brighter than it did one year ago.

Posted by Joseph Condron on November 11, 2009 at 11:44 PM GMT #

Adhering rigidly to a system is problematic by its very nature. Things evolve, people evolve. Rugby is no exception. The game evolved and weaknesses were found in Ireland's game. These were exploited. Similarly England found themselves in a completely different environment after the 2003 World Cup. They could no longer hope to pound teams through their forwards. The others adapted. Ireland were no different post-2007. As long as Declan Kidney adapts to a changing game Ireland will do just fine. Nature is a complex series of adaptive, ever-changing systems. Man is just a part of nature. Rugby is just a sub-set of nature. As for Ireland under Kidney the future looks brighter than it did one year ago.

Posted by Joseph Condron on November 11, 2009 at 11:47 PM GMT #

To moderators I didn't realise that you can only submit comments that are shorter than 1000 characters. That is far too low. Spam is generally really short comments so this restriction appears unnecessary. Perhaps you could get this fixed as it is somewhat stifling. I broke up my comment into two sections as I didn't realise it had to be short and didn't want to delete what I wrote. Regards Joseph

Posted by Joseph Condron on November 11, 2009 at 11:52 PM GMT #

Can't wait for Sexton to get his first cap. O'Gara has been off his game for some time. If he doesn't step up to the plate, I hope he gets taken off early and dropped onto the bench for SA. Stringer and horgan should be in the squad as well in my opinion......

Posted by Jack on November 12, 2009 at 12:47 AM GMT #

I cant believe that anyone would be surprised that rog has been selected at 10. His last act in an irish shirt was to drop goal us to grand slam success and yet some people seem to think that his reward for this would be to be dropped for the next game. Unbelievable

Posted by Mike G on November 12, 2009 at 04:36 AM GMT #

whilst I like the team in principle, I am torn as to whether which would haev the more positive impact - winning a November series against 2 of the top3 ranked countries, or blooding 2,3,4 new players into the Test arena. Australia might not beat us, they might not win their tour grand slam, but they could actually end up in a better position given the huge experience their relative new caps i.e the centres will get from the experience. Opinion?

Posted by JMG on November 12, 2009 at 08:39 AM GMT #

An interesting article as usual Brendan. My take is that O'Sullivan deserves great credit for moving Irish rugby stanards forward at a faster pace than many of our rivals but that a change was needed - Kidney was the right man at the right time and he proved this by puting together an excellent coaching team. I can only wonder when his time will come or where we will be when it does. One the selection front. I am really looking forward to seeing Healy do his thing, I only hope he can channel his enthusiasm and not give away too many penalties. Wallace is the right choice, he has been looking really good for Ulster. I read an article recently stating that BOD had an operation on his eyes in August to correct a 30% defect, that is frightening. What will he do now he can see?

Posted by Kevin Ryan on November 12, 2009 at 10:14 AM GMT #

Hi Brendan, I would agree to a large extent with what you said, however I believe in the case of Eddie O'Sullivan he may have been a great man to put structure into the Irish setup but I get the feeling he wasn't a very endeering guy to his players. I would suggest that Kidney's more pragmatic, almost 'pastoral' attitude toward his players has been a large part of his success and the respect he gets can only be a positive thing. For example he gave Ferris his chance last year and brought in Tommy Bowe and Paddy Wallace, when one could have argued D'Arcy, Leamy, Horgan etc etc etc could have started based on 'form'. There is more to building a team than form and that has been Kidney's strength. He has managed to build a team without wholesale possibly demoralising changes and I would even suggest the increase in confidence has brought the provinces perforances up- for example sticking with O'Driscoll as captain seemed to give him a fresh lease on life, playing Ferris brought him into the form of his life.

Posted by 127.0.0.1 on November 12, 2009 at 10:50 AM GMT #

re: comment moderation issues, apologies, not ideal I know. We're always looking at things.

Posted by Brendan Cole on November 12, 2009 at 12:59 PM GMT #

Brendan, I like your style of analysis which I would describe as "philosophical" in the best sense of that term. Sporting games of any kind are difficult to predict which is why Paddy Powers remains in business and you and I only enjoy limited success. My particular interest at present is why Ireland have chosen to win games in the third quarter of their matches. They battle to contain in the first, second and final quarters but turn it on in the third. This is the mark of a rational approach, allied with the exceptional skill of a few players, which has all the hallmarks of an analytic coach, ie Kidney - and that's what distinguishes him from O'Sullivan (and Gatland). However, the Aussies may well test and break the paradigm for the simple reason they're hyperactive for 80 mins. The All Blacks repeatedly beat them because they can hold them in check by brute force and ignorance until the third quarter - but can the stylish Irish do the same for 80 mins?

Posted by Dr David Green on November 12, 2009 at 02:28 PM GMT #

Thank you Dr Green....you're right about the third quarter thing. Wales would be the other type of team: typiclaly they bully sides out of the game in the opening 20 and then protect a lead (v Eng in 2008 an exception). Maybe Kidney figured that if Ireland were going to be a 'one quarter' side, they might as well play well in the quarter that is likely to matter most! On a serious note, there is a lot of psychological edge to be gained from soaking up the best your opponent can throw at you before showing your own true colours. Australians are big into this type of thinking - third quarter is the 'Championship Quarter' in Aussie Rules (they refer to the 'Championship Minutes' in Rugby Union). This weekend, I think Ireland may look to change the model a bit and test the Aussies wide early in the game.....

Posted by Brendan Cole on November 12, 2009 at 02:42 PM GMT #

So you aren't counting the summer Test wins over Canada and the USA when you say 'a streak of six wins..'. They are in the world's top 20, so I'd count them. I'm sure our soccer brethren would.

Posted by Michelle Fogarty on November 12, 2009 at 04:50 PM GMT #

Also, isn't part of your analysis redundant in the fact that Kidney is a coach and the football bosses you reference are managers, two totally different jobs. Some news outlets have a habit of refering to Kidney as 'the Irish manager', which must delight Paul McNaughton.

Posted by Michelle Fogarty on November 12, 2009 at 04:53 PM GMT #

Brendan, do you know if RTE will be showing any highlights of the 'A' game v Tonga. Very disappointed that they have chosen to buy in coverage of the French game instead.

Posted by Michelle Fogarty on November 12, 2009 at 04:54 PM GMT #

Michelle - no, I'm not counting the Churchills because it wasn't really the same team. A fair point though. I think a rugby head coach and a football manager are fairly accurate comparators - they are the guys who get the chop if it all goes wrong!

Posted by Brendan Cole on November 12, 2009 at 05:15 PM GMT #

I'm checking the 'A' game question for you. SA v France will be very interesting, but, as you say, it would be nice to see the As as well.

Posted by Brendan Cole on November 12, 2009 at 05:16 PM GMT #

The Canada and USA games were not Churchill Cup games, they were full Tests. i.e. Keatley and Cave made their Test debuts against Canada in May.

Posted by Michelle Fogarty on November 12, 2009 at 05:19 PM GMT #

Oh yeah.....I reckon it is fair to leave them out as the Lions were on but, you're right re: Canada/USA.

Posted by Brendan Cole on November 12, 2009 at 05:29 PM GMT #

re: your As question, there will be very brief highlights shown on either Saturday or Sunday - not been decided yet which one.

Posted by Brendan Cole on November 12, 2009 at 05:29 PM GMT #

remeber the drop goal in the final of the six nations, ronan has been billian for ireland, and he will again!! Jonathan sexton had a few outstanding gaames for leinster, but will have to do alot more to get no 10 off of Ronan. rog rocks

Posted by Caroline O'Connor cork on November 13, 2009 at 03:24 PM GMT #

when jennings is fit he is irelands best grounhog style no 7.simpl as

Posted by jiggy on November 21, 2009 at 02:22 AM GMT #

Bit late I suppose, but one thing not mentioned in your article is 'man management' or getking the best out of your players. DK does it is spades and it appears the players would anything for him / the team now. EOS didn't have it because it appears the team resented the regime / lack of flexibility.

Posted by Ed on November 21, 2009 at 11:12 AM GMT #

Brendan a lot of good points in the article. Just one small issue.I don't think that Eddie O'Sullivan could be given any credit for changing the framework for Irish French clashes. In fact Ireland probably regressed under him. (1 victory in 8 or 9 matches under his stewartship)The one victory more attributable to the immediate post Warren Gatland era (courtesy of a dubious O Driscoll try if I recall correctly). I never liked the way the IRFU wrote Gatland out of Irish Rugby history to justify putting their man in.

Posted by John Lalor on November 25, 2009 at 06:43 PM GMT #

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