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Rugby November Series 2009 Blog

Guinness November Series Blog

by Michael Corcoran

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Blame the drink, again…

 

Over indulging in alcohol has got lots of people in trouble, some do things they regret whilst others spend many years trying to make amends for past misdemeanours.

 

However, this is the first time I have ever heard of someone causing bad blood by turning down an invitation to share a drink.

 

South Africa captain John Smit has revealed in his newly published autobiography ‘Captain in the Cauldron’ that an invitation to the Lions to share drinks after each of the first two tests was declined.

 

Apparently the invitation was turned down long before any of the games took place, but according to Smit it helped create a bad feeling amongst the hosts.

 

Personally, I have no idea who issued the invitation or for that matter who turned it down.

 

According to Smit, he heard that it came from one of the senior Irish players.


Burger incident - Lions players and management 'unhappy'



 

Schalk Burger/Luke Fitzgerald incidentI am aware the Lions players and management were ‘unhappy’ with the incident involving Schalk Burger and his over zealous use of the hand in the face of Luke Fitzgerald during the second test in Pretoria. That issue was dealt with by the judiciary and Burger was suspended. Burger issued an apology to his team mates for his actions and for spending 10 minutes off the field of play. Curiously, that apology did not extend to Luke Fitzgerald.

 

 

However, I am also aware that the Lions players and management were furious with the South Africa coach Peter de Villiers for comments he made when appearing to try and defend Burger for his part in the incident. All De Villiers had to do was express regret for what happened.

 

Instead he appeared to prefer to query the incriminating video evidence. He said: ‘I stand by Schalk, I'm still convinced he didn't do it. When you watch the footage closely, and if you know the nature of Schalk, you'll know he will never go to those measures to impose himself’.


 

 

It is unfortunate the Ireland v South Africa game takes place against such a background this weekend. The ‘bad blood’ that exists may be between South Africa and the Lions, however 12 of the Irish squad this weekend travelled to South Africa at some stage or another as tourists this summer, they would only be human if they did not occasionally cast a thought back to the events of  June and July 2009.

 

 

 



For the record let me tell you about a drink I had with a South African rugby player a few years ago. The date was the 13th of November 2004, and there had been a rugby game that afternoon in which Ireland had beaten South Africa by 17 points to 12. Somehow, I managed to blag my way in to the after match drinks reception for the players, officials and Committee Members.


Queue for a drink....get a Burger


Schalk BurgerI found myself almost submerged in a sea of bodies at the bar trying to get a drink, the person next to me almost fell on top of me at one stage, he apologised, I told him there was no need. We got our drinks and ended up spending quite some time in each others company. That was the only time I shared a drink with Schalk Burger. I found him very engaging and  knowledgeable. From memory, we were joined at one stage also by John Smit. Neither would know me by name but we would nod and exchange a ‘howzit’ if we came across each other.


Sometimes it’s good to share a drink and make new friends, however if invited and you wish to decline, it’s always best to do so in a manner that does not cause offence.

 

 


 


Comments:

Burger should not be playing he should still be banned!

Posted by Pat on November 26, 2009 at 09:45 PM GMT #

Just as well Alan Quinlan wasn't selected for Ireland then..?

Posted by Woodie on November 26, 2009 at 11:00 PM GMT #

Gouging is about as bad a cowardly crime as you can commit on a rugby field. I'd not be inclined to drink with such a low-life either. Here's hoping we put some manners on them on Saturday.

Posted by Stephen on November 27, 2009 at 02:33 AM GMT #

How extremely boring, get over it Patricia!

Posted by Hat on November 27, 2009 at 04:28 AM GMT #

Ignorant Pats like you demonstrate to the rest of the world how limited the average Irish fans understanding of the game is. Respect the judiciary's decision not to cite BOD for a punch, Sheridan for a punch in the balls, the list goes on for filthy play by the poor losers the Lions.

Posted by ANTHONY KING on November 27, 2009 at 06:45 AM GMT #

Ah I think it's time to move on from that Lion's Tour. I would trust Declan Kidney to have the guys purely focussed on this game, and whatever nigglings are still there should be used purely as motivational tools on Saturday.

Posted by Mark on November 27, 2009 at 08:51 AM GMT #

Excuse me Mr Corcoran, would you like a eyeball in your martini? Why thank you Mr Burger, how kind!

Posted by Ted on November 27, 2009 at 09:05 AM GMT #

by that train of thinking, hayes should still be banned for stamping on healy... double standards by the irish.. what a surprise

Posted by Alex on November 27, 2009 at 09:08 AM GMT #

Im glad hes playing, he's past it!

Posted by Cathal on November 27, 2009 at 09:44 AM GMT #

Schalk plays most weeks in the Super 14 or Currie Cup, as an Irish guy and proud of it here in SA, it certainly was a surprise to see him do it,,he's tough but really never that "dirty"...tomorrow is "Ireland's call", let that front row rise to the occasion, c'mon u boys in GREEN!!

Posted by pat on November 27, 2009 at 10:05 AM GMT #

The ref will be the key man tomorrow any team with Brussouw and Burger are going to be hard to police in the rucks and at the breakdown, there will be a lot of niggle. The Saffers have put out a strong side and are keen to end the series of defeats in Dublin. If we can get to the breakdown in time, hold our scrum and our line out machine works then we can win this. I am sure they will all share a brew or two afterwards. Come on Ireland...

Posted by Damien on November 27, 2009 at 10:42 AM GMT #

Lets face it if the Lions had got the proper rub of the green and had all the players orginally selected especially the Irish ones for the tour they would have buried the Boks. Now is Irelands to show the world that we are going to be the team nobody wants to face in the World Cup 2011.

Posted by Seamie on November 27, 2009 at 11:03 AM GMT #

This Bok side is the strongest team available during the Autumn series. Thankfully injuries to players like Chilliboy Rallepelle, Adi Jacobs and Jannie du Plessis have helped the Bok cause as ex World Cup boks Jean de Villier, CJ van der Linde and BJ Botha have been called in, all ironically based in Ireland. Some of the commments on here about Burger being a dirty player are hilarious, the Lions tour should thank Burger for his moment of idiocy as if it wasn't for him the Lions would have been steamrolled for the second week in a row. I can think of 3 times as many Irish players involved in gouging compared to South African's in recent times, yet I would never dare call Irish players dirty. Springboks are No1, just ask New Zealand and the Lions.

Posted by Jebz on November 27, 2009 at 11:32 AM GMT #

Met four of South Africas star player on Mon and Burger stood out as the most genuine...top man!

Posted by Derek on November 27, 2009 at 11:41 AM GMT #

Please people - the man served his ban and should be allowed take his place on the field! If any of you actually knew anything about the real Schalk Burger (not the one portrayed by the media and disgruntled fans who lost a series to a better team) you might say the same? I do not see anyone calling for Alan Quinlan, Shane Jennings to be banned for life and never represent Ireland again? Maybe it is because they are on Leinster and Munster teams and as such are liked by the "blinkered" Irish fans. Perhaps you would like to see all "shoplifters" banned from all shops for life too? All these players rightfully served their ban and are now allowed to continue playing. Enjoy the spectacle, enjoy the game for what it is and more importantly enjoy your fellow Irish Supporters, and our guests the Springboks tomorrow.

Posted by John Smith on November 27, 2009 at 12:03 PM GMT #

Seamie - Injuries are a part of sport Fact! In summary, what you are saying is "If the Lions had not got any injuries, had got more penalties, scored when we should have, taken our opportunities, not tackled people in the air, we would have won the Lions series"? Those grapes taste a little sour?

Posted by Michael Holmes on November 27, 2009 at 12:11 PM GMT #

Rugby is a contact sport, Citing Commisioners are appointed to oversee all top level games, they have 48 hours after the conclusion of a game to investigate a game and decide if any incident warrents further investigation. Their findings and decisions are respected by players, management and media alike. Ian McGeechan congratulated South Africa twice after clinching the Lions series in Pretoria, so too did the Lions players and supporters. Dignity in victory, as well as in defeat, that's the sign of a true knowlegable supporter.

Posted by Michael Corcoran on November 27, 2009 at 12:19 PM GMT #

Schalk Burger has served his time. Lets get on with beating the world champs on our patch. Hopefully Brian O Driscoll can be on top of his game and outshine Du Preez his rival for the IRB World player of the year. My money is on BOD.

Posted by Robert McGuinness on November 27, 2009 at 12:41 PM GMT #

Grapes not particularly sour at all just stating that if the orginal squad had made it intact to South Africa then the outcome would have been a lot different, this is not argument conjecture or recrimination over a lost a series it is as you put it simply FACT! This Fact will be duly proven tomorrow on what should be a historic victory over the reigning world champions and should allow Ireland to show how far they have come under Declan Kidney.

Posted by Seamie on November 27, 2009 at 12:51 PM GMT #

FACT eh Rafa? Listen I am merely stating what will become the recognised truth tomorrow that although South Africa are reigning world champions they are not the be and end all. The Lions showed them up have no doubt about it and if the orginal squad had made it there intact they would have won the series. South Africa are good but one dimensonal power Habana and kicking. Ireland should outplay and outclass them tomorrow to cement the great work so far being carried out by Declan Kidney.

Posted by Seamie on November 27, 2009 at 01:00 PM GMT #

This article speaks volumes about John Smit and what he stands for: Well worth a read! http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/rugby_union/article6917305.ece

Posted by Jared on November 27, 2009 at 01:18 PM GMT #

Seamie - I admire your enthusiasm. Reality is that Ireland have not beaten anybody ranked above them in the world rankings for quite some time. You failed to beat the team who finished last in the Tri-nations (Australia) and had to wait for the dying seconds to salvage a draw? That same Australian team lost to Scotland 1 week later. Cast your mind back to when last Ireland beat New Zealand - Never? You have beaten South Africa 3 out of 18 times - hardly a credible record. To be fair - Ireland have won 1 memorable award in 60 years i.e. this years Grand Slam - (I was in Cardiff to witness it - a great day for Irish rugby). Win/lose/draw tomorrow - Ireland are not and will not for quite some time be thought of as a World Championship side - one good season does not establish Ireland as a force to be reckoned with. Enjoy the game, best of luck.

Posted by Michael Holmes on November 27, 2009 at 02:03 PM GMT #

The Oz team may have finished bottom of the Tri-nations but you would hardly call that a weak competition? So the fact they came to Dublin to play a match Rusty Irish team and could only leave with a draw speaks more of their limitations than ours. I expect that South Africa all though World Champions and a great team will be outfought the fairest sense of the word and outplayed in Dublin tomorrow. Brian O Driscoll will cement his place as IRB world player of the year, Keith Earls will show why he is one of the most exciting prospects in world rugby and Paul Superman O'Connell along with messers Heaslip Wallace and Ferris will provide the platform to drive Ireland to new heights in World Rugby. All I can say is that I hope the Boks can stomach the Guinness afterwards. ;) Cmon Ireland!!

Posted by Seamie on November 27, 2009 at 02:58 PM GMT #

I would have preferred to see D'Arcy, Cullen or Casey instead of Wallace and O'Callaghan. The 'Boks were awesome against a very good Lions side. Predictions in the Irish media of an Irish victory are wildly optimistic - I just can't see it!

Posted by Sarsfield on November 27, 2009 at 11:53 PM GMT #

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