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Lost Season 5 Finale - Double Episode

The season 5 finale was great TV viewing Did you, like me sit wide-eyed after the brilliant two-hour finale trying to answer questions posed or left unanswered in the double episode? Share your comments now.

TBC's
There was plenty of chat in our house about what Season Six has to address; Richard told Sun that he watched the people in that infamous Dharma Initiative picture die – Jack, Kate and Hurley in particular. Did he mean that he saw the island blow up and if so, did he watch the spectacle from the safety of the other island? In real-life would that be enough distance for both himself and Eloise to be safe from the effects of a two tonne hydrogen bomb? (I'm no doctor but whacking a pregnant woman over the head with the butt of a gun leaving her unconscious cannot be a good move. Richard may be saving her life in the long run but if he keeps that up there'll be no life to save.)

Jacob
After five season's build-up, it was great to finally see Jacob embodied in the show. However the scenes highlighting his visits to many of the key characters past selves seemed at best superfluous, at worst last minute padding. How could such a long-living, legendary figure be killed so clumsily and quickly? His death seemed all too easy but at least his final words were revealing. "They're Coming"…not only did they peak our interest in Season 6 but those two little words angered new-Locke. That kick onto the fire and scowl on the face were not the actions of a victorious man. It seems that Jacob may just get the last laugh…who is coming though? Ilana, Richard and co? Or is it Jack et al?

When Ilana asked Ricardos/Richard "What lies in the shadow of the Statue?", he replied in Latin "Ille qui nos omnes servabit." or "He who will save us all!" Jacob lives in the shadow of the statue, so he must be the saviour. The two interesting things that he did in the flashbacks when he met many of the key cast was a) highlight their free will and b) to touch them in some way – thereby saving them perhaps. He didn't meet Juliet which could mean that she will not be coming back or saved. Miles said that Jack's bomb mission would be fulfilling history and not recreating it. That being the case, then its all part of Jacob's plan. In Season One Jacob originally gave Ben a list with the names of the Oceanic survivors names on it, so they've been central to his plan from the get-go.

Loophole Locke
The biggest question of the season finale has to be who is Jacob's hostile friend and what's his connection to Locke? We know that Jacob (and Richard) doesn't age so when we first meet him, along with his beardy pal – who I'm going to call loophole lad for convenience sake – it's difficult to say what the time period was. Judging by Jacob's unusual statue, his interior tapestries and his personal Egyptian hieroglyphics drawings we know he's been on the island a very long time. However their attire plus the sighting of the ship off shore pointed towards the 1800's. Needless to say his argument with loophole lad is going on a long time. Is he the Locke of the temple – the face transplant theory is a bit much and of course, how did he get to the island as he wasn't seen on the Aljira flight?

Or is he simply Locke of another time period to dead Locke in the box (we've already seen Locke come face to face with shot-in-the-leg Locke)? Whoever it is, he has a long history with Jacob. Kitty sent in an interesting theory: That Smokey is Jacob's bearded buddy transformed into Locke's body - any takers?

Love Quadrangle
One of the biggest shocks has to be Juliet's death. While her reaction to Sawyer's eyeing up Kate may have been a bit strong (abandoning their plans for a new start in the real world) – he's certainly going to pay his price for any second thoughts he had about leaving Kate. I couldn't believe my eyes when the chains wrapped themselves around her all giant-octopus-like and dragged her to her death. Although, it was as pathetic as it was sad. Firstly the power of the electromagnetism on the metal chains versus Sawyers pull on his true love would have ripped her in two. If that didn't kill her then the fall would have. There's no way she could have survived that drop into the abyss. The only thing less believable in the finale was the bomb's failed explosion. If the fall didn't trigger the blast, then a couple of Juliet's taps wouldn't either. As for Kate and Jack – too little, too late. They didn't even share a kiss or a kind word before the blast so there needs to be some serious romancing in Season 6 if we have to invest in that love story again.

And the Beat Goes On
Other areas and characters that need to be cleared up are; Claire (was she the one living in the cabin before Ilana blew it up)?, Smokey, Desmond, Walt, Christian, Hurley's guitar case (was it Charlie's originally and did Hurley have to bring it to the island to try to recreate Charlie's presence on board the Aljira flight as per the original Oceanic one?). Also Richard's role has to be explained, we know he is the 'advisor', has been around for a long time and is possibly the key character to the whole show – or is he? More info needed there. Ilana said that Frank Lapidus was a 'candidate', for what? Will Sayid live to kill another day?

Anything but a Bobby Ewing
My biggest fear was that the 'Lost' creators would leave us egg-faced by resolving the intriguing questions posed in the show with a shameful ending. While there was nothing shameful about the finale, I'm a tad worried about the future. If the bomb boom means that, as Faraday said, everything goes back to the beginning for the passengers on board Oceanic flight 815, what does it mean for the pre-crash islanders? Is the island lost forever more? How sad will it be to see all the crew hanging out in LAX, passing each other by without realising that they're each others one-time true-loves or best friends? Is ignorance bliss?

Golden Years
Finally the producers satisfied fans curiosity about Rose and Bernard's whereabouts. How could we argue with their lifestyle choice? They've been given a second chance in life, have 30 years knocked off their clocks (although even Bernard's beard couldn't hide his true years) and have decided to take early retirement. A quick glance at the view from their side of the Golden Years fence and we knew that it was the right choice – perfect seaside property, ample amounts of fresh fish and fruit and perfect company. Although the blast will knock them back to modern Los Angeles times and Rose's cancer will be back. However as Rose said: "All we need is each other". Their view really did make everyone else look like they were playing an exhausting, childish and dangerous game of cops and robbers – with no one knowing who was on which side.

Bits n Bobs
Was great to see Dr. Chang walk on the wild side, facing his fears and fighting for the good guys. Plus it was cute to hear Miles yell out to his dad and rush to save him. Sun's wedding to Jin was lovely, her dress was beautiful but that ring was a bit unusual. Jacob's light reading choice was interesting; Flannery O'Connery's "Everything that Rises Must Converge". The short story reveals the pitfalls of human arrogance and ignorance – referring to new-Locke perhaps? Did that DS ring belong to Charlie? Damien wrote in a great comment (drop us a line below) about the ship in the bay being the Black Rock ship that ended up in the middle of the island – but how?

Its Started Already
People who regularly watch the show have begun to back-peddle their way out of their dedication and the show's grip on them by saying 'it ain't all that'. While no one is claiming it's life altering or saving TV, 'Lost' is certainly one of the most exciting, unpredictable and gripping pieces of television in years. It may be fanciful but it's certainly highly entertaining and for that reason alone, viewers should 'fess up and stand by their 'Lost' to the bitter end.

Final Frontier
By 9.30pm the dreaded season finale blues started to kick in – the realisation that we've to wait until early next year to find out what happens in Season 6, the final frontier. In the mean time we'll keep you up to speed on any 'Lost' news here on RTÉ.ie, pray for some decent weather and hope there's some more brilliant TV in the summer/autumn schedules to help pass the time away. If it wasn't for 'Mad Men' I don't know what I'd be watching (check out our blog here). Get those comments coming, dying to hear what you all thought of the finale.

Taragh Loughrey-Grant

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Comments:

This is annoying me - Was hurley carrying the guitar when he got released from prison or was it already in the taxi with Jacob? I thought last night it was already in the taxi??

Posted by Clair on May 18, 2009 at 12:01 PM BST #

The history of the Island is the key to the whole thing. I think the next series will focus on explaining its past and tying it all into the present situation. Could the whole thing have been one massive plot to kill Jacob. Extremely disappointing that he allowed himself to be killed so easily when he has lived years. His lack of concern/effort to defend himself is also strange. Also, could Richard have been one of the originals on that ship that was at sea? So many questions, so long to wait!

Posted by Ciaran on May 18, 2009 at 12:01 PM BST #

the DS ring was charlies!!!! remember he left it in the crib for Aaron before he swam off out to the underwater Dharma station with Desmond. But then Claire never found it and it got left behind!!

Posted by sarah on May 18, 2009 at 12:05 PM BST #

I was blown away by the season finale-this can't be the end for Juliet! The statue in the 1800 "Black Pearl" time was still intact,but was down to one foot in the present day.Maybe whatever destroyed the statue deposited "the Black Pearl" in the interior of the island?

Posted by Pierce B on May 18, 2009 at 12:09 PM BST #

Hi Clair, The guitar was already in the taxi with Jacob - he wanted Hurley to have it. Remember that Hurley brought it with him on board the Aljira flight? Do you think it was Charlie's? Taragh

Posted by Taragh Loughrey-Grant on May 18, 2009 at 12:26 PM BST #

Convinced now that the Smoke Monster is the anti-Jacob. I think that Jacob and his bearded buddy are like yin & yang but if so this would mean that the whole island world will now be unbalanced. The fact that Jacob's followers always refer to themselves as "The Good Guys" means that we can think of Bearded Guy as "Evil".

Posted by KMcD on May 18, 2009 at 12:42 PM BST #

great ending....can't believe we have to wait till next year! Yes the guitar was already in the car. I think that what is meant to be will be and no matter how you try to change something it won't work. Jack & Co were meant to be there and drop that bomb. the bomb then gives the dharma people time to build the station by blocking the magnetic force field or something to that effect. Jack & Co all have a purpose and this could be it? Do they still crash on that island, I think they might but circumstances might be different with regards to no fighting with the Others. John, i think is loophole lad!!! how that works am not to sure yet. And i don't feel like Jacob is dead so easily like that, we mite be surprised next season to see him rise from the fire. When John fell out that window,he was dead, jacob then placed his hand on him and he came alive! Very dispointed if Jacob is actually dead! Could this be the War that was coming as mentioned I think by Whitemore or ben??

Posted by caroline on May 18, 2009 at 12:55 PM BST #

The bearded Man's name could be Esau if Biblical characters are anything to go by - Jacob's Brother. Esau in hebrew means 'Hairy' too.

Posted by Neil on May 18, 2009 at 12:56 PM BST #

I'm with KMcD. It's like the final battle of good v evil. The biblical references weren't even subtle! In the first scene I felt it was quite Cain versus Abel and that maybe they were brothers but I think its more a case of a God-type and Satan-type. And that conversation between Ben and Jacob at the end? Plucked straight from Footprints in the Sand or what! Clearly Loophole Lad is simply using Locke's identity to weave his evil plans and not have attention drawn to him. Locke is dead and gone and I'm interested to see what they'll do with him next season. I reckon the island is the battle grouds for good and evil and you have to pick your side. Smokey is Loophole Lad's mechanism and Jacob's mechanism, I'm guessing, may be the healing nature of the island. Ok I'm going on now but the finale was great and got my juices flowing! Really enjoying reading other peoples thoughts too and Taragh I'm with you on the guitar - could well be Charlie's. Good to see Charlie get a little nod of recognition with the ring and guitar too. Taragh thanks for the blog over the weeks, look forward to the series 6 one!

Posted by Cat on May 18, 2009 at 01:11 PM BST #

UGH! Just wrote a mammoth comment but it was marked as spam! It was a bit long winded so in short...Perhaps island is the battle ground for good versus evil. Struck me as extremely biblical especially the conversation between Jacob and Ben - straight from Footprints in the Sand or what? First scene with Jacob and 'Loophole Lad' reminded me of brothers Cain and Abel but more so that they are a God-like and Satan-like characters. Jacob never gives up hope for the good of mankind. IMO Locke is dead and gone. When Ben killed him that was it for him, Loophope is just using his likeness to go about his evil deeds unnoticed. But I am interested in what they'll do with that next year. I also think that smokey and the healing nature of the island are the mechanisms of Loophope and Jacob respectively. I'm going on a bit now but it was great finale and got my juices going! With Taragh on the guitar theory - good to see Charlie represented with the ring and guitar. Taragh, have really enjoyed the blog and everyone's theories so thanks and look forward to series six!

Posted by Cat on May 18, 2009 at 01:18 PM BST #

i think Alan's comment from the Dead is Dead blog could be spot on with the smoke monster being the "new" Locke. looking back now i suppose it was strange that Locke suddenly woke up with infinate knowledge of the island. Also remember Ben saying the thing he needed to be afraid of was coming out of the jungle and at that Locke came walking out. i love that Bernard and Rose were living the perfect idylliic life by themselves on the island. Do you think that loophole guy could be called Moses? just keeping up with the biblical names and the fact it was thrown in by Ben at the end. Also the giant statue definately looks like Anubis and the Ankh made an appearence again in the statues hand. Also Pierce i like your theory of an explosion affecting the statue and the bblack pearl, i really think you're on the right line there. Did anybody watch Lost:A Journey through Time on Saturday night? Damon Lindelhof and Carton Cuse said that the reason Jack et al landed in 1977 and Sun etc in 2007 was because the events on flight 316 weren't exact replicas of the first flight oceanic 815, so thats one question kinda answered.

Posted by lostaddict on May 18, 2009 at 01:28 PM BST #

Posted by lostaddict on May 18, 2009 at 01:33 PM BST #

Back with more on the statue-from the brief side view,it looked like it had a crocodile head-Sobek was a crocodile headed Egyptine god who was described as being the undoer of evil acts and someone who influenced events through others,never taking a direct hand-sounds very "Lost" to me!

Posted by Pierce B on May 18, 2009 at 01:56 PM BST #

Interesting theories indeed. I do think the smoke monster is defintely connected to the loophole locke and Jacob can't simply of died like that. Didn't Jacob just appear to them both as the room was empty at first? Surely if loophole locke can take on another form, Jacob can do some trickery also? I thought Richards comment 'there can only be one leader at any one time', will be explained later on. Why does the loophole guy hate Jacob so much and did Jacob take over the island from him? Defo think the guitar was charlies. Could be connected also to the fact that Locke needed Jacks dads shoes to get back for some reason?

Posted by Ciaran on May 18, 2009 at 01:57 PM BST #

Juliet getting caught up in the chains and being dragged underground reminded of the time in season one when Smokey grabbed Locked and tried to drag him into a hole underground. Smokey even sounds like chains when it's dragging somebody. Could a combination of the hydrogen bomb and the magnetic force be responsible for the creation fo Smokey somehow?

Posted by Brian on May 18, 2009 at 01:57 PM BST #

Twas a great finale. Was so nice to see Rose and Bernard living happily together. Im a tad confused about the whole Locke thing. Say the real locke is dead and the living locke we were watching the past few wks is really beardy from the first scene with jacob, then this may explain the scene where ''pretend locke'' brought richard to the scene where the real locke was injured and needed help wit his wound. I wondered how locke wud have known the exact time that he was injured and needed the help. I wonder did Ben know all along that this was not the real locke. Oh theres so many unanswered questions, its frustrating! I think lostaddict could be on 2 something there with the moses theory.

Posted by Claire on May 18, 2009 at 02:04 PM BST #

i think the idea of the smoke monster being locke is a good one. remember when ben went to be judged by smokey, locke disappeared for a few moments and ben had his "visions". Smokey manipulating ben do to his bidding in a not so obvious way.

Posted by Michelle on May 18, 2009 at 02:10 PM BST #

I took notice of that Moses comment during the finale too. While nothing on Lost is said or done coincidently, I think for Loophole Locke to be called Moses is far too specific a name biblically. It would be like having a character on Lost called Jesus.

Posted by Cat on May 18, 2009 at 02:30 PM BST #

what are peoples thoughts on Jacob making the shrine thing, very time consuming he even says it himself but i think it has significent reference, there is 9 poeple who the sun/eye is touching, Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Jin, Sun, Hurley, Sayid, Locke and another? oh and the but of cloth that Ilana found in the cabin itwas the bottom right hand corner of the shrine- i paused and rewinded how sad i know but this show makes you do things like that... but it is of the statue looking out ot the sea and 3 ships are coming... i'll try post a link to show you what im talkign about ... what if the 3 ships were The Black Rock, Flight 815 and now the Third coming

Posted by Jacko on May 18, 2009 at 02:35 PM BST #

Also, I think Neil could be onto something about Loophole Lock being Jacob's brother and possibly called Esau. I found this on Wikipedia which I found interesting: "Rebecca (Jacob and Esau's mother) was extremely uncomfortable during her double pregnancy and went to inquire of God why she was suffering so. The Midrash says that whenever she would pass a house of Torah study, Jacob would struggle to come out; whenever she would pass a house of idolatry, Esau would agitate to come out. She received the prophecy that twins were fighting in her womb and would continue to fight all their lives, and after they became two separate nations. The prophecy also said that the older (Esau) would serve the younger (Jacob); its statement "one people will be stronger than the other" has been taken to mean that the two nations would never gain power simultaneously: when one fell, the other would rise, and vice versa. Traditionally, Rebecca did not share the prophecy with her husband."

Posted by Cat on May 18, 2009 at 02:39 PM BST #

Perhaps statue we see in present day was damaged by bomb in 77, if bomb does/did go off then surely it would falter events of present ie. flight crashing which leads to death of Jacob, In other words No crash no death for our buddy jacob. Jacob still alive season 6......

Posted by Ben on May 18, 2009 at 02:53 PM BST #

I loved last nights season finale. The statue is of Taweret, the Egyptian goddess of fertility (a hippopotamus) and she's holding an Ankh in either hand (symbol of life). I think the ring was Charlie's, DS - is his band 'Drive Shaft'. I was a bit disappointed how easily Jacob was killed, wasn't convinced, I'd say we'll see him again in the next season. Always love Miles' statements which seem to be what the audience is thinking. Looking forward to season 6

Posted by Donna C on May 18, 2009 at 02:55 PM BST #

This article is nonsense and the worst on the internet by far. 1.The bomb blast = the Incident was caused by Jack et al so nothing changed, Dr Chang looses his arm, they needs to control the release of Energy etc etc etc, they didn't prevent anything. There is no going back to LA. 2. You say " the face transplant theory is a bit much... how did he get to the island as he wasn't seen on the Aljira flight? " and "Kitty : That Smokey is Jacob's bearded buddy transformed into Locke's body - any takers?" a) Locke was Dead in a coffin, ON THE PLANE. b) The Smoke monster has been taking shapes of people all the way through Lost so Kitty I'd say there a chance you might be right.

Posted by Dave on May 18, 2009 at 03:05 PM BST #

Taragh - yes definatly think it was Charlies now and that Hurley was meant to bring it on the Ajira flight with him. Also loving the thought that Smokie is Locke now but I think our heads will explode next season with the answers to all the questions we have built up since the beginning!

Posted by Clair on May 18, 2009 at 03:09 PM BST #

A very bad season. A very bad season for all to see. Sure isn't Jack the fella who ran away from his wife for a young one.

Posted by Paddy Stokes on May 18, 2009 at 03:11 PM BST #

In opening scene - with Jacob and Loophole Lad - the boat at sea has to be The Black Rock and could hold many answers regarding the destruction of the statue and Richard Alpert's landing on the island perhaps. 'The Rules' will also be explained more in Season 6 - remember when Ben went to Widemore and Ben said that he couldn't kill Charles because of 'the rules'. The loophole was found and Jacob was killed.

Posted by Hugh on May 18, 2009 at 03:15 PM BST #

Notice at the start that Jacob wore white, while the other man wore black-good v evil. Also the black might represent the smoke monster. This man needed a loophole to kill Jacob. Also he did not know where to find him(when Richard brought fake Locke to the statue fake Locke just said "nice foot", didnt realise Jacob lived here). The evil man knew Richard would only bring the leader to see Jacob so it had to be Locke he impersonated. But Locke had to be dead for him to take over his body, and this explains the scene in last week's episode where "Locke" brings Richard and Ben to see Locke and tells Richard that Locke has to die. He is setting everything up so that he can kill Jacob. Also, we dont know if Juliet died!

Posted by Alan on May 18, 2009 at 03:27 PM BST #

How is Jack SUCH a good shot? He took out half of Dharma's security team. Did he major in firearm combat in Med School???

Posted by wayne on May 18, 2009 at 03:55 PM BST #

Right, so much already going on but here's my musings as per last night: The ship in the distance was definitely the Black Rock and I reckon its crew are the initial 'Others'. I don't think we have thus far been given an explantion as to where they actually came from or when? Just that they are there for an undisclosed number of generations. I think they found the island through an earlier version of the 'Island locating' system that Eloise Hawking showed us earlier in the series. That might also explain why Whitmore was bidding for a painting of it at an auction in the last season. It might be a piece of family heritage.

Posted by thelostsock on May 18, 2009 at 04:06 PM BST #

Hi Dave, I'm sorry that you feel that this article is 'nonsense' and thank you for taking the time to read it. The blog is a forum for us all to freely share our opinions and theories on 'Lost'. Looking back over the last season's blogs, you'll see that it has been very successful in doing so. Again thank you for taking the time to share your opinion. Taragh

Posted by Taragh Loughrey-Grant on May 18, 2009 at 04:15 PM BST #

did this anti-locke take the shape of eko's brother?

Posted by paul on May 18, 2009 at 04:26 PM BST #

Ah Dave, we're just Lost fans musing over possible theories - weird, wonderful and everything in between! Why not write your own if you don't like this one?

Posted by Dave on May 18, 2009 at 04:36 PM BST #

I totally agree with Alans idea, i too thought that loopole Locke told Richard to tell the real Locke that he will have to die so as to use his body as Locke was the leader before he left the island which would make it much easier to get to Jacob. Loved the last episode, cant wait for next season, and Dave if you think this is "nonsense" then dont read it!!!

Posted by Rachel on May 18, 2009 at 04:42 PM BST #

I think it's pretty safe to assume that "loophole lad" or Esau, has been present in some form or another since the very first episode of lost. If you can remember back, Jack first caught a glimpse of his dead father, Christian, on the beach. He has been a recurring character throughout the show along with other "dead" characters such as Charlie, Ana Lucia, Libby,Eko's brother,Horace, Alex and now Locke. He seems to be able to take the shape and memories of anyone who has died, or has had their dead body brought to the island. I'm also pretty sure that he is the smoke monster. Eko's death and the Alex' appearance to Ben in the cave seem to support this.It also looks like Esau has been living(or imprisoned)in the shack.

Posted by Gary on May 18, 2009 at 04:47 PM BST #

could smokie be juliet?

Posted by duncan on May 18, 2009 at 04:47 PM BST #

Wow Wow Wow

Posted by James on May 18, 2009 at 04:58 PM BST #

I like everyone's thoughts. I personally think Smokie is just smokie and not any previous or present character but is most likely 'used' and controlled by Loophole Locke instead and I agree with Gary that possibly Loophole Locke has been all the dead characters on the island who have reappeared at any given point. I'm surprised the fact that Miles can speak to the dead hasn't been used since it was revealed - I thought Miles might speak to Locke's body before the end of Series 5. I'm guessing that will come up again in season 6 - its far too handy a skill to just forget about! Still so much left to find out, I think this might be the best finale ever.

Posted by Cat on May 18, 2009 at 05:09 PM BST #

Does anyone else think the black smoke monster took the form of Jack's Dad in the early seasons on the Island? (he too was in a coffin and beardy guy/smoke monster may have taken his form to manipulate Jack etc. Other oceanic survivors also had visions of people (some dead) from their past? And the healing power of the temple that helped save young Ben, was this the smoke monster and did this same entity heal John Locke in the early seasons so he could walk and thus give him faith in the island so he would do everything asked of him. Did anyone else notice that dozen or so brief references to films- the dude who was about to shoot Sawyer was impaled by those flying poles (light reference to a similar to a death in "the omen") and the statue may have been blown up in the 70's (small reference to "planet of the apes" - you fools you blew it up!) There was tons more but it was a very fast moving episode so can't recall them all right now. I agree that the non-explosion of the bomb on initial imoact was silly. The quick introduction of Jacob into flashback of Kate and Sawyer etc. was rather lazy writing in my opinion. Maybe they really are making it all up as they go along. I take it that Jacob and the "bearded bad guy" are unable to physically harm each other directly and so he needed to get Ben to kill Jacob.

Posted by Tony Falloni on May 18, 2009 at 05:20 PM BST #

Can anyone remember exactly who told John that he had to die in order to return to the island- if it as Ben (I think it was) then he knew all along that John's body would be used byt the shape-shifting bad guy. Yet last night they make out that Ben hasn't been in the loop at all really and knows nothing of Jacob etc.

Posted by Tony Falloni on May 18, 2009 at 05:24 PM BST #

Loved the finale, absolute edge of the seat stuff. Totally agree on the bomb not detonating until Juliet hit it, was pretty absurd. I did think it was interesting it was a chain that dragged Juliet down. Several times when the monster has attacked (Locke, S1 finale) they appear to be being dragged by a chain. Regarding the bomb being the incident. It wasn't some half-brained plan Sawyer came up with, it was Faraday's. Seems way too big an oversight for him to miss. Roll on season 6!

Posted by yup_yup on May 18, 2009 at 05:39 PM BST #

Great theory about (Neo) Locke being Smokey reincarntaed. It ties in with Locke coming out of the bushes when we were expecting his Smokeship. Also, I think that when Ben faced the monster to be'judged' the relevance of re-playing the scene of how cold he dealt with his daughter's murder, was really to show that he was a worthy candidate to kill Jacob.

Posted by thelostsock on May 18, 2009 at 05:41 PM BST #

Tony - Ben did tell Locke he had to die, but not for him to return to the island, he had to die to convince the Oceanic 6 to return to the island. Still a good point about Ben suddenly being out of the loop though.

Posted by yup_yup on May 18, 2009 at 05:42 PM BST #

Re Alan's black and white comment: Locke taught Walt to play Backgammon in the first or second episode of season 1. He mentioned that it was "the oldest game in the world" and that there are "two players; one black, one white". Backgammon is thought to be derived from the ancient Egyptian game of 'Senet', a game which had deep spiritual relevance. Successful players were believed to be under the protection of the gods including Anubis. It was also believed that it played a role in how your soul travelled on the 'journey of the dead'. Thus many chose to be buried with the game. Coincidence?

Posted by Enda on May 18, 2009 at 05:47 PM BST #

I noticed that the folk the jacob directly touched never went back in time eg locke and sun yet the folk he did not directly touch sayid, jack and kate they went back in time, (jack and jacob shared holding a choco bar that lingered a sec to long)could this be all a plan by jacob for a bigger picture Why did Jacob not save sayid's wife yet he brought life back to locke. Also he didnt look surprised when he seen him

Posted by duncan on May 18, 2009 at 06:00 PM BST #

Did anyone notice Eloise smirking as jack & co worked on the bomb and then went to leave to reach The Swan. (Before richard knocked her out) She kept passing looks at Richard as if to say "they are falling for it". I think she was up to much more than we realise.....did he knock her out or was that part of their plan too...?

Posted by Ellie-mae on May 18, 2009 at 06:57 PM BST #

OMG, I just found it on the edge and dying for season 6!!!!! I think its plausable that the bomb didnt go off, and Juliet didnt set it off either. It just seems to obvious. Are we to think she set the bomb off, but in fact, the death of Jacob caused a reaction on the island, needed to bring those LOST in time in 77 to present day to take on the 'evil' Locke, hence........ they're coming????

Posted by Charlotte on May 18, 2009 at 07:17 PM BST #

Just a epic series finale, best show on tv, can't wait for the final season shame it's such a long wait to see it

Posted by Ellis on May 18, 2009 at 08:59 PM BST #

the statue is a giant one of Tawret the egyptian goddess of fertility!what that means i dont know but obviously its important!

Posted by alex on May 18, 2009 at 08:59 PM BST #

it was jacks dad that told ben he had to die to return to the island so if loophole guy has been using dead people then that makes sense. also i reckon the nuke just throws jack kate et al back to the present something has too and in all fairness. roll on se 6

Posted by anna on May 19, 2009 at 01:24 AM BST #

@Tony Falloni: It was Loophole Locke who instructed Richard to tell Locke that he had to die (in Follow the Leader). Loophole Locke manipulated past events to set his plan in motion. I think he has always taken the identity of dead characters to see who could be manipulated to his own end. I'm convinced that Loophole Lad is the smoke monster. While the Others were living in the barracks they used the sonic security fence to keep the monster out, they were scared of it so I don't think it was Jacob. Ben has been able to manipulate the Smoke Monster but the last time he did Loophole Locke emerged from the jungle, not the Smoke Monster. As we saw from the start of the finale, Loophole Lad doesn't want anyone on the island so when Ben & the Others used the Smoke Monster it got to kill the intended targets, removing people from the island one by one. (Now I'm rambling)

Posted by KMcD on May 19, 2009 at 09:55 AM BST #

Was it not Christian who told Locke he had to die?

Posted by pocketrocket on May 19, 2009 at 10:06 AM BST #

Great work taragh on the blog, you were always spot on, I thought this series of lost was very hit and miss, have to say love the last few episodes doe. cant wait till next season only a few months to go lol

Posted by mick on May 19, 2009 at 10:12 AM BST #

The Black Pearl is a pirate movie people! The ship is called the Black Rock!

Posted by Jo on May 19, 2009 at 11:21 AM BST #

Still thinking about this smoke monster thing. I know a lot of people think that Loophole Locke and smokie are one and the same and only time will tell but I really don't think Smokie is anything other than smokie. It's too simple a creature - there are no grey areas with smokie, he kills or he doesn't and I really don't think its time is taken up by anything else. In keeping with the egyptian theme I reckon the smoke monster is Ammit. Ammit was essentially the judgement monster. Anubis would take the dead to Ammit and weigh their hearts, if their hearts were heavy with wrongdoing Ammit would devour them. Sound familiar?

Posted by Cat on May 19, 2009 at 11:27 AM BST #

Hi all, Loving the comments and thanks for the thumbs up on the blog but as I've said, its your comments/posts that makes it. Had an idea last night about Adam and Eve - do you remember the two skeletons from Season One? Could they be Bernard and Rose? Also the more I think about it and comments I'm reading, the more I think that the bomb didn't explode but the flash we saw was another time jump to present day, 2007. Hence Jacob's "They're Coming"...Jack and co are about to arrive for a possible battle between good and evil. Kitty you were so on the ball with your Smokey thinking. Any more theories? Taragh

Posted by Taragh Loughrey-Grant on May 19, 2009 at 11:31 AM BST #

It was a great show. I was delighted to see Bernard & Rose it was nice to see them 'retired' after all they did not want to leave the island. I wish they they not kill off Juilet!! it seems to be a silly reason to!

Posted by Maria O' Gorman on May 19, 2009 at 11:48 AM BST #

Taragh, well done on the blog over this season; informative, quizzical, anecdotal and collaborative. Loved the finale, frustrating yes but still unlike anything else on TV. Remember a few weeks back Richard was building his little ship in a bottle, looked like the Black Rock. Me thinks he arrived on the Black Rock in 1860 and has been there ever since.

Posted by Aldo on May 19, 2009 at 11:58 AM BST #

News just in; American network ABC is expected to announce tomorrow that it has picked up a reboot of the camptastic '80s thriller V and that Lost heroine Elizabeth Mitchell (Juliet) is a full-time castmember. Which means she will not be returning to Lost as a series regular. However, Mitchell's Lost days are not done. Multiple sources have confirmed that the actress is expected to appear in an unspecified number of episodes next season, so it's entirely possible Juliet survived Jughead and her absence will be explained in another way.

Posted by Aldo on May 19, 2009 at 12:02 PM BST #

@pocketrocket: I think that Loophole Lad is all the dead people on the island, so when Christian told Locke that he had to die, I think that this was Loophole Lad being Christian.

Posted by KMcD on May 19, 2009 at 12:06 PM BST #

yeap i just copped my faux pas with the black pearl this morning! what can i say i was caught up in the theories! Charlotte i like your theory of JAcob's death affecting the whole island and timezone thing, oh i can't wait to see how it all works out in season 6, roll on next year.

Posted by lostaddict on May 19, 2009 at 12:10 PM BST #

Grrr wrote a huge comment but didnt post. Basically what i was saying was, did anyone notice how Jacob either touched or gave something to kate, Sawyer, jack, Sayid, hurley?? And that the statue is most deff the God Sobek, half man, half crocodile. Perhaps jacob is Sobek? Sobek was also known for calling on the help of other Gods/Goddesses, perhaps Ilana is a Goddess? Also the guy at the start who took over lockes body, perhaps he is the God Set, Set is know to have taken over Sobeks place. Anyway great episode, thanks tara for all the blogs!

Posted by Niall S on May 19, 2009 at 12:25 PM BST #

yep im convinced too that the big flash we seen at the very end was not the bomb going off but a flash that shows that they have moved in time again and will end back in 2007 with sun, locke etc and thats wat jacob meant when he said ''they're coming''. I dont believe then that juliet is dead cause she was alive when we thought that she has set off the bomb, where in fact it being a time flash, then she too should move in time and arrive in 2007 with everyone else.

Posted by Claire on May 19, 2009 at 12:57 PM BST #

Tony Falloni, I agree that there was possible nods to films in the last episode. Did anyone notice that just before Juliet's 'successful' strike on the bomb, she shouted "You S-O-A-B!". This had to be a direct ref to Jaws where just before Brody hits the canister in the shark's mouth he shouts "Smile you S-O-A-B!".

Posted by thelostsock on May 19, 2009 at 01:06 PM BST #

Hey Niall S, lots of speculation over the statue but ABC's official Lost website state straight out that it is in fact Taweret not Sobek. My brain hurts...

Posted by Cat on May 19, 2009 at 01:21 PM BST #

A great end to a wonderful season of lost. Its one of the finest TV programmes in years, no-one, and I mean no-one can predict what the ending is going to be, anything can happen. We still need to find out what Jacob and his beach companion are, and I think that this will be the main focus of series 6, the next few months will be difficult without it but I hope that we will not be dissapointed with the end, they really have the pressure on to deliver an ending worthy of the whole series....

Posted by Jimmy A on May 19, 2009 at 01:43 PM BST #

Without reading all the other posts, this could be said, but,I think Loophole Lad is every single "ghost" we have seen on the island. He is using the people to kill Jacob. Clearly neither can kill each other, but can only manipulate people to do their deeds. Loophole Lad got Ben to decide by his own free will to kill Jacob, and perhaps Jacob's only means of defending himself has been in ocounter actions against Loophole Lad's evil plans. More interestingly, the flash at the end was not a Nuke exploding in my eyes, but a timetravel FLASH? What ya think? Means the bomb triggered the time shift, not a nuking of the island.

Posted by Kirk on May 19, 2009 at 02:14 PM BST #

Hi KmcD i get ya re loophole head,someone had asked if it was Ben who had told Locke that he had to die, i was saying that i thought it was Christian.

Posted by pocketrocket on May 19, 2009 at 04:11 PM BST #

What a great season, cant wait for next year! Thanks for the great blog

Posted by jillypoos on May 19, 2009 at 05:03 PM BST #

Someone said it earlier about how Jacob and 'Esau' wearing black and white. Black and white was at a time a reoccurring thing in previous series. Locke played the checkers like game with Walt and talked about Black and White. Locke also had one white eye and one black in somebodies dream. (i think it was claires) and Rose and Bernard. I've no idea where the show is going to go, but i know from previous stunts it never takes the obvious route.

Posted by Ripper on May 19, 2009 at 06:06 PM BST #

Hi All....love the comments, but missed it last sunday as i was on hols.....It is being repeated this week?

Posted by Baz on May 20, 2009 at 01:40 PM BST #

Hi Baz, the 'Lost' Season Finale will be repeated at 1.25am on Saturday (23 May) night, Sunday (24 May) morning. Taragh

Posted by Taragh Loughrey-Grant on May 20, 2009 at 03:34 PM BST #

Would love to rewatch previous series of Lost. Have stuck by it since the beginning but would love to see it all again knowing what I know now. Any chance RTE will be airing old episodes?

Posted by Cat on May 20, 2009 at 03:51 PM BST #

@Cat: Great idea. Would enjoy that as a run up to the final season.

Posted by KMcD on May 20, 2009 at 04:02 PM BST #

If you buy the boxsets and watch 3 episodes a week from the start, you will then catch up to the final season :)

Posted by Cathal on May 20, 2009 at 04:41 PM BST #

KMcD - Maybe any RTE heads looking at the blog will come through..... Cathal - haha, you make it sound like a training regime! If I weren't stony broke I'd get the boxsets but alas the funds wont allow! Plus I always think boxsets end up like hard work to try and get through!

Posted by Cat on May 20, 2009 at 05:16 PM BST #

Hi Cat, I've just checked with RTÉ scheduling and there will not be a repeat of previous 'Lost' seasons ahead of Season 6 in early 2010. Taragh

Posted by Taragh Loughrey-Grant on May 20, 2009 at 05:39 PM BST #

Hi Taragh, you're very good to even check. That's a pity but maybe a rival station will have the same idea! Thanks again

Posted by Cat on May 20, 2009 at 07:06 PM BST #

Taragh,in the pre-season Lost815 game of last year, it was revealed that Adam+Eve were in fact Amelia Earhart and her navigator Fred Noonan. Both disappeared over the Pacific in 1937 in 'mysterious' circumstances. Despite (even to this day) the biggest search and rescue mission ever mounted, no sign of either was ever found. Makes sense if they crashed on the Island, right? Congrats on the Blog. Great write-ups every week. Thanks, and looking forward to next season!

Posted by Ale on May 20, 2009 at 09:14 PM BST #

Only 3 episodes a week? i think i could do that, Cathal, you've just given me an idea that's gonna wreck my sister's head haha. Thanks for a ll the great blogs this season Taragh, i don't know what i'm gonna read on a Monday when i should be working now! Can't wait for next season, the more i think about it the more it seemed like a time travel flash, oh the possibilities!!

Posted by lostaddict on May 21, 2009 at 08:09 AM BST #

Cat you can stream old series of Lost on www.watchtvsitcom.com or on www.surfthechannel.com, i've started on series one a few weeks ago its amazing the things you miss or didnt realise in the first series...

Posted by Jacko on May 21, 2009 at 08:36 AM BST #

Thanks jacko, might do that but I'm really impatient when it comes to watching online (surf the channel is great though!)

Posted by Cat on May 21, 2009 at 11:15 AM BST #

If the statue is of a fertility god, then maybe the fertility problems on the island began when it got destroyed.

Posted by Brian on May 21, 2009 at 12:14 PM BST #

Erin is Jacob? Erin is meant to be major important. Jacob is super important and with all the time travel going on i think its very possible. Also when the bomb went off i think that was another Island Flash which will bring everyone back to present day...? Funked If I know.

Posted by Sophistafunk on May 21, 2009 at 12:19 PM BST #

Great discussion guys. Agree with ALan that Locke is Dead Dead, and Beardy/Loophole Lad has taken his form as he can take the form of anyone who is dead. Jacob and Loophole lad are engaged in a bitter struggle or combat down through the ages but seem to need to use mortals to carry out their actions against each other. Does anyone think that the whole reason the bomb had to go off was to actually CAUSE the Incident ? Miles touched on it near the end. Think about it. If they caused the Incident which resulted in the Hatch being built to contain the radation, then in effect they would have caused the hatch to be built, Desmond to not put the numbers in and their plane to crash. Their crash triggered the events that caused them all to come back to the island and ultimately got them all together to have the final battle between Loophole Lad and Jacob. Jacob isn't dead yet but the two opposing sides had to be brought to the island some way. Eloise Farraday said God Help Us All if they do not succeed in getting back. She knew they had to get back in time to cause the ting that resulted in their landing there in the first place.

Posted by Dermo on May 21, 2009 at 12:30 PM BST #

Great comments guys. I think the bomb actually caused The Incident and not the electromagnetic radiation on its own. Think of it. The Incident resulted in the hatch being built. Desmonds non inputting of the numbers caused the plane to crash and the survivors to land. Those O6 survivors then joined the chain of events which resulted in the final face off between Jacob and Loophole Lad or Jacob and Esau.

Posted by Dermo on May 21, 2009 at 12:33 PM BST #

In series 3 Lindelorf and Cuse (writers) deliberately referenced The Third Policeman by Flann O Brien. That book is about a character or two characters even, who have to go through the same struggle endlessley over and over. They are in fact in hell. Now the writers said this book was significant. It could have similarities to Jacob and Beardy who have been engaged in an eternal struggle using humans to carry out their actions.

Posted by Dermo on May 21, 2009 at 12:36 PM BST #

Future Eloise knew that her son had to go back to the island. Even though he would die she knew he had to do it. What could be so important that she would sacrifice her own son ? To help Jacob , thats what. She said that she was doing her leaders bidding by helping them with the bomb. The bomb which would cause the Incident, resulting in the Hatch and thus the plane crash and bring them all to the island thus assembling them for the final battle between Jacob and Loophole Lad.

Posted by Dermo on May 21, 2009 at 12:39 PM BST #

Amelia is the name of an old woman that is in one of Juliets first scenes in Dharmaville. http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/lostpedia/images/e/e2/Amelia3x02.jpg . What if Richard and Co are slaves to Jacob? Think Richard must be from the future as his clothes are quite modern. Cheers Taragh ;)

Posted by Found on May 21, 2009 at 02:06 PM BST #

Hi cat, I dont like watching it online that much either but if you type "watc lost online" into Google it will bing you up a site called www..circu or something along the lines of that. The reception is clear and there's no buffering. Thanks for the blog Taragh, like someone else above said, I dont know what im gonna do on a monday afternoon in work now !! :)

Posted by laura on May 21, 2009 at 02:18 PM BST #

to Found: i was reading about that lady called Amelia, that she was Amelia Earhart, the female pilot that went missing with Fred Noonan, perhaps those skeletons in the cave were those, anyway some interesting pointers when you gogle amelia earhart skeleton cave, then go to A Lost place.

Posted by Niall S on May 21, 2009 at 03:51 PM BST #

Hey Laura - Thanks a million, I'll give that a go!

Posted by Cat on May 21, 2009 at 04:10 PM BST #

Hey Cat, best site is ninjavideo, dvd quality shows :)

Posted by Niall S on May 22, 2009 at 10:27 AM BST #

Niall S - cool thanks again! Still havent gotten around to watching it online but I'll try that too!

Posted by Cat on May 22, 2009 at 11:37 AM BST #

Hi Ale/ Dickie Davies, That's brilliant re the two skeletons being Amelia Earhart and her navigator Frederick J Noonan. That does make sense because if the blast was in fact a time jump then Rose and Bernard would jump too and possibly not die on the island after all. Thanks, Taragh

Posted by Taragh Loughrey-Grant on May 22, 2009 at 12:06 PM BST #

Why do you focus on Juliet's death so much... "One of the biggest shocks has to be Juliet's death..."? Surely they all died in the explosion and (if Jack is right) they'll all just come back in 2007 anyway. Or do you know something I don't, possibly about Juliet leaving the show?

Posted by Con on May 22, 2009 at 12:37 PM BST #

I reckon Juliet has died whether it was a time shift OR the bomb. Her injuries her so severe that I doubt she'd live after that fall PLUS Juliet didn't come to the island on the plane so her past/future won't have changed so she's a goner unfortunately. At least thats what I think, who really knows anymore?!

Posted by Cat on May 22, 2009 at 03:56 PM BST #

I dont think the Amelia Earhart is a possibility. Wouldn't be nice for her family to see that, even though I know its all just fiction. Brilliant connection re the fertility statue and the fact that there was fertility problems on the island. I really think Jacob and the Beardy guy at the start are a reference to Jacob and Easu. Rebecca (Jacob and Easu's mother) was told that the twins would spend all their life fighting, and that the older would serve the younger. Easu was the oldest, a hunter, and his fathers favourite. Jacob was the younger one and his mothers favourite. One day Easu was hungry and, in exchange for his birth right, Jacob offered him some stew. Easu accepted. As Issac (their fater) grew old, he lost his sight, and not knowing weather he was going to live for much longer, he decided to bestow the birthright to Easu. Rebecca heard this, and planned with jacob to pose as Easu so he would get the blessing from his father. In the opening scene of the season finale, Jacob is eating and offers some to the beardy guy(Easu). Beardy guy says no in an angry tone and then proceeds to tell him how much he wants to kill him. Maybe because Jacob and his own mother just betrayed him? I really think fake lock is the beardy guy(Easu). Is there some sort of rule that the younger sibling cannot kill the older one, hence why fake Locke(Beardy guy/Easu) had to get Ben to kill Jacob? Brilliant blog!! Going to get us all through the months without Lost..=]

Posted by Claire on May 26, 2009 at 12:46 AM BST #

Claire: Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof confirmed the Amelia Earhart aspect at Comic-Con 2007 by giving a 'knowing nod' to the question.

Posted by Alex Weir on May 26, 2009 at 01:33 PM BST #

Anyone one else no notice that its based on people trying to understand god? Jacob is christ. And every side says they're the good guys.

Posted by John on June 02, 2009 at 03:39 PM BST #

Is it just me or do u remember in the 1st series these 2 people "died" and they buried them on the beach and you saw one of them open their eyes as the last bit of sand was thrown over them....will that ever have significance?!

Posted by Maeve on June 03, 2009 at 02:47 PM BST #

Yes Maeve i remember that!! They were bitten by spiders and were dead for a long time but then woke up just as they were been buried. I wonder if that will come up again

Posted by Spud on June 04, 2009 at 10:45 AM BST #

they weren't really dead, i remember one of them was called Paulo, they were paralysed by the spiders and to all intents and purposes seemed dead but started to come to just as they were being buried, i'm guessing they suffocated under the sand when they came to. i thought that was gonna come into play in this season with Locke having to die because he knew about the spiders and would use them to "kill" himself to get the others to return, but once again a theory was smashed by the writers! gotta love it!!

Posted by lostaddict on June 04, 2009 at 02:47 PM BST #

I miss Lost sooo much... Anyone wonder if the Airfrance plane crashed on the island? Will they ever find it?

Posted by lostlover on June 05, 2009 at 10:55 PM BST #

does anybody know if they are repeating lost session 5 on rte soon?

Posted by Dee on June 06, 2009 at 02:59 PM BST #

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